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All Forum Posts by: John R.

John R. has started 5 posts and replied 7 times.

Post: First Deal (sorry for the length)

John R.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Northern, CO
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 0

Thanks guys. @Aaron Thivierge I don't have any regrets about starting with a mulit-family units.  Even though you have more moving parts (more bathrooms, more appliances, etc.) in multi-family I always liked that fact that if I have one vacancy I'm not 100% vacant. 

Fix and flips interest me very much however the market I live in does not have a large population. Only around 30,000 people. That's not to say you couldn't find a house to flip but there's just not as many on the market at any given time.

Basically this property breaks even for me. This is not including the principle paydown. So technically I do have some positive benefit it's just not in my bank account at the end of every month. 

Best of luck with your ventures. 

Post: Can I borrow against land to buy another property?

John R.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Northern, CO
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 0

@Bill S. 

@Jim Groves

Thanks for the replies. I have my eye on an apartment complex in the $1.75 million range and I'm looking for ways to finance it. The land is worth just over $1000 per acre and is leased so it does bring in some income. It's family land that I grew up farming and ranching and I've never considered using it as a way to build my real estate portfolio because I never wanted to risk losing it. I've obviously changed my thinking lately. As long as the land is mine it wont be broken up or developed. No amount of money will change that. 

I guess I was just wondering if banks will do some type of cash out refinance on the land or just let me use the land as collateral for the down payment on the apartment? I suppose I just need to call the bank and see what they say.

Post: Can I borrow against land to buy another property?

John R.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Northern, CO
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 0

Let's say that I own 2,400 acres of land free and clear. I've heard of people using equity in their properties to buy more properties. Can I use the same strategy with land? This is agricultural land that will never going to be developed.

Does anyone have any experience with this situation?

Post: First Deal (sorry for the length)

John R.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Northern, CO
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 0

I’ve been a bigger pockets member since sometime in 2011. I originally joined just to read up on different topics thinking someday I might invest in multifamily properties. I read and read trying to educate myself on everything I could. Here’s the story on my first property.

A little about me to start off, I grew up on a large farm and ranch and consider myself a jack of all trades. I know lots about construction, electrical, mechanical, and operating heavy equipment. Now I'm 29 years old and I work as an engineer in the energy industry . As an engineer, I am naturally drawn to things that require financial analysis. I used to waste my weekends browsing and analyzing properties on loopnet. I suffered from "paralysis by analysis" for about 3 years (that combined with I didn't have any money) but in those 3 years I decided I wanted to buy an owner occupied 4-plex and that I would go the FHA route for financing and eventually I would find the right property.

Eventually I found a property. 4-plex built in 1980 which has 3 units that are 2 bed 1 bath and a single unit with 1 bed 1 bath listed at $250k. Total rents equaled $2450. The units are small at 750 square feet each. Tenants pay all utilities. I called the realtor and found out that it had a new roof in 2012 and all new windows in the 2005-2008 range. The current owner updated all the kitchens and bathroom vanities (totaling $20k in upgrades). It needed a paint job but the siding was still in decent shape. It had one open unit (the previous owners). I did my analysis using information the realtor gave me. Costs from the previous owner were scarce but gave me enough to do a semi-accurate analysis. It wasn’t a huge money maker so I never went any further. The analysis paralysis came back because it failed the 2% rule (not even close) and only broken even on the 50% rule. Six months went by and the property was still for sale.

In these six months my everyday job became a lot more stressful with more responsibilities and accountability and I grew as a person. I decided that I can handle this property even if it only broke even. The hell with the 2% rule because it’s just a d@mn rule of thumb. I have a very good salary and we was paying as much for rent than the mortgage on this 4-plex. I had to live somewhere, right? If I was the only tenant I would survive. I bought the place for $229k and the seller covered all my closing costs. I paid too much.

I do all the maintenance which saves me money. I have absolutely wonderful tenants. These people pay rent early. One guy wants to mow the lawn just for something to do. This will not continue forever and I’m definitely spoiled for the time being.

Mistakes made: FHA financing is not easy or fast. I was one day short of 3 months from offer accepted to closing. I closed 1 day before I got married. I thought my background would save me money on the inspection; this was a huge huge HUGE mistake even though I haven't run across anything I missed on my inspection. I went into the deal knowing the property would need some electrical upgrades on the outside of the building. I was way off on the cost of these upgrades. I will lose money in year 1 and 2 because of my stupidity. If you know repairs will be needed then get a contractors estimate before purchase. I have not had a vacancy yet. My area has extremely low vacancies (<2%) but is dependent on things that are out of my control (commodity prices).

Successes: I had money in the bank after closing (more than $15k). I got my feet wet. I don’t like managing the property but I do like owning it. Property managers can be just as needy as tenants (I use a property manager now). Rules of thumb are only triggers for doing more (or less) research and analysis. I should have put more offers in along the way. Good bankers are extremely helpful.

Future: The wife and I are paying the mortgage down in huge chunks. We will refinance for $150k within one year from today. Even with a 5% interest refinance rate we will pay $400 less per month than we do now (mortgage insurance included). The property will have no trouble maintaining and paying for itself. We will use the equity to help buy a house to start our family.

This business IS FOR ME even though I consider my first purchase an almost failure. I broke my first rule; don’t overpay! I won’t make this mistake again.

Post: Financing Question

John R.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Northern, CO
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 0

Hi Everyone,

Is it any easier to get financing to purchase a multi-family rental if I plan on living there?

Post: Starting an LLC for evaluation purposes

John R.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Northern, CO
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 0

Hi Everyone,

Fist off I'd like to say that I haven't talked to a CPA or lawyer about any of this yet. Can I start a corporation (LLC etc..) for the sole purpose of evaluating rental properties? I would like to get some tax benefit from spending my personal income from my current job on costs associated with evaluating properties. Things like fuel costs to and from the property. I would also like to use this business to help other people evaluate properties. I'm new to all this.

Post: Getting Started in Multi-Family Investing

John R.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Northern, CO
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 0

Hi Everyone,

I'd like to get a discussion going about how to get started in multi-family investing. I'm 25 years old, engineer, and I have a good job. I make good money but the company I work for does not offer retirement and I can't stand the thought of someone else handling my money and my future. I don't like the stock market, just don't have the time to follow it day in and day out, but I do invest small amounts in it. I'm a hands on type person. I work with financial data for my job so I understand money. Things like return on investment, IRR, NPV, capital expense are part of my every day vocabulary. I evaluate real estate for fun on the weekends. I lead a very exciting life. I feel I'm ready to buy my first property, besides the nervousness I have about starting my own business, that's where I need help. Should I start an corporation (LLC)? Can I even get a title of a property into an LLC today? How do I protect myself if the property fails? How do I protect different properties from faults with another? Should every property be a separate LLC? If I'm short on capital, where do I find investors? How do I attract investors if need be? Should I start really small (2-5 units) or go for a larger property? I want to make a livable income off this someday so I want to start big. I'm not scared of evaluating $1,000,000 + properties but I obviously don't have that kind of cash to get something like that bought. I've haven't talked to any lenders yet or picked out a property to make an offer on, although I have several prospects. Any advise helps and I look forward to reading your responses.

Thanks, John