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All Forum Posts by: John Prunier

John Prunier has started 2 posts and replied 11 times.

Post: Second Home Vacation Rental - Mortgage

John PrunierPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Worcester, MA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 19
Hey BP, My parents have an accepted offer for a second house in Nantucket where they would rent it out during the summer. What is the best strategy for a mortgage? They aren't sure about write offs and declaring income. 1) Their current house is paid off so would it be best to get a mortgage on their primary house and use that towards the vacation rental to write off the interest? 2) Get the mortgage as a second home? 3) Get the mortgage as an income property? Any insight is appreciated! Thanks, John

Post: Refi Owner-Occupied as Primary or Investment Mortgage?

John PrunierPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Worcester, MA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 19

Hi @Jason Slater

@Jason SlaterI would refinance the two family as your primary residence. It will give you a lower rate that you can keep even when you move out and it may take time to find a SFH to purchase. I'm not a mortgage expert so I would see if there are any reasons why you could not get a primary residence mortgage for a SFH within 6 to 12 months. My brother-in-law has a three family that he purchased as owner occupied. He pays PMI but his rate was very low. Now that he no longer lives there it doesn't make sense for him to refinance as his rate would be higher even with the PMI that he currently pays.

I recently refinanced my two family while purchasing a three family. Since I was cashing out some of the money due to the increased value I had to have 25% equity instead of the typical 20% conventional loan. If there are stipulations that would prevent you from purchasing a SFH then I would refinance the two family as you purchase the SFH. Depending on the appraised value of the two family you may even be able to cash out some of the money to invest in the SFH.

Post: Coin Operated Laundry In Massachusetts

John PrunierPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Worcester, MA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 19

@Mike Duran I have read other posts/articles where they say coin operated machines only make sense with 5+ units. I have smaller multi families so I am providing laundry hook ups. I don't want to deal with maintenance of the machines. Others may have differing opinions.

On a side note - I recently purchased a 3-family and each tenant had the washer/dryer in their unit, however, they are not set up properly. The washing machines are in the kitchen so the tenants put the hose to have the water drain down the kitchen sink, which is a disaster waiting to happen. Then only one of the dryers is vented outside. I am in the midst of installing the proper plumbing and electrical in the basement to provide hook ups for each tenant. Once it is complete I am planning on moving the current tenants' washers/dryers in the basement (laundry in the unit wasn't in the leases I inherited). 

Might be tricky as they have gotten used to laundry in their unit but it isn't set up legally (1 unit is currently vacant as I'm currently doing repairs and will put laundry hook ups in the basement in the lease - the other 2 units are on month to month leases). Does anyone have suggestions on how to have the current tenants move their laundry to the basement? Or should I allow it in their units until they move out?

John

Post: Realtor/Contractor recommendations (Worcester County MA)

John PrunierPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Worcester, MA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 19

@Jay Hassey I just purchased my second multi-family in Worcester. I was happy with my realtor as she has her own investment properties and is very proactive. Her name is Rosa Wyse. Also, reach out to me for contractor recommendations - depends what you are looking to have done.

John

Post: Buying a Home with an Old Foundation: Brick, Sandstone, Dirt

John PrunierPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Worcester, MA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 19

@Shane Clark - no problem at all. Always happy to talk if you need any help. The good thing being in Western Mass is that labor is typically cheaper. Labor always tends to get higher the closer you go out to Boston so saying what is fair to do any work is tough as location plays a factor in addition to the scope of work. It's always best to get a few estimates, especially if you don't know exactly what needs to be done as you might get differing opinions. Always get something in writing before work begins. Add ons can come up with unknowns but you don't want to pay for things that you thought were part original agreement.

Another thing that typically isn't correct in older homes and is fairly easy to detect is ventilation. Most older homes have windows in bathrooms for ventilation. However, this can be an issue with tenants as they rarely open them. There should be bathroom fans installed and properly vented outside, as well as any dryers. For the top unit if there is a bathroom fan make sure that it is venting through the roof. At times they are just vented into the attic, which is incorrect. Or they can be vented through the soffit. The issue with venting it through the soffit is heat rises and in the winter time in New England it can increase ice dams. If there isn't proper ventilation it can cause mold and become a MUCH bigger issue.

Post: Buying a Home with an Old Foundation: Brick, Sandstone, Dirt

John PrunierPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Worcester, MA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 19

@Shane Clark I have a two-family and a three-family - both built in 1913 so I have dealt with a lot of issues. I will say that I am a project manager for a general contractor so I knew what I was getting into. At times it can be overwhelming depending on how much remodeling you end up doing.

1. Foundation - Definitely look for signs of water in the basement - always good to look on very rainy days. Also, check for cracks and bowing of the walls as @Nick Noon said.  In any old home the boiler/furnace, hot water tanks and washer/dryers should be on blocks as they all tend to get at least some water. Check to see if there is a sump pump. When I had the home inspection for my two-family there was an open sewage drain on the floor of the foundation. I ended up having it closed but there was a week of torrential rain and I wasn't living there at the time because I was doing a lot of remodeling to my unit. When I went I had 6" of water in my basement! The first solution is to install gutters and try to get the water away from the foundation before investing in other expensive options like french drains, etc. There were not enough gutters on my two-family and the gutter that was on the back of the home was depositing under my deck right in the problem area of the foundation. With the proper positioning of the gutters and downspouts I have virtually zero water in my basement - only a trickle on extremely heavy rains. I did, however, install a sump pump just in case.

2. Electrical - When they say the electrical is "updated" it could be the electrical panels and any visible wires (attic/basement) but there will almost always be knob and tube in the walls and ceilings of the units. Check to see that there is a panel for each unit and the a separate landlord unit.

3. Plumbing - Check to see how old the boilers/furnaces and hot water tanks are. Have they been serviced? Are they oil or gas? If they are oil do you have the option to convert to gas? The gas line for my two-family ended in the middle of my home so I was the last house on the street that is able to convert. Most plumbing in very old homes is cast iron and it will eventually leak. Some of the water lines are brass and they will eventually leak as well. Check to see if there are asbestos wraps on the pipes in the basement. If there is have it in your offer to have it removed and have a paid receipt from a licensed asbestos abatement company. 

4. Roof - Most people do not know how old there roof is. Check the attic and to see if there are any water stains on the boards and check the ceilings of the top unit. A big thing in very old homes is how wide is the spacing between the old plank boards. If there are big gaps you will have install plywood on the whole roof before shingling. This can get pricey. 

5. Siding - Most older homes have either wood or asbestos siding. Asbestos can last a very long time but you have to be careful if any of the shingles are cracked or falling off. Wood can be expensive to paint and the maintenance can be higher. If it's vinyl there will be lower maintenance but check to see that all of the windows are capped and that they are caulked properly so that no wood is showing. 

6. Windows - Check to see if the windows have been updated. Some very old home still have single pane windows. If the windows are updated are the frames very small? A lot of times they are cheap windows so they balance systems can break, etc. 

7. Insulation - Most older homes lack insulation. This can significantly increase the heating bill (and cooling if the home has A/C). Check the attic to see if there is insulation. Are the outside bays of the basement insulated or the whole ceiling in the basement? Unlikely that there is much insulation in the walls.

8. Plaster - Most old homes have horse hair plaster. If you start doing work by taking off trim or demoing a part of a room the plaster tends to crumble. If you are not doing much and there are patches that are missing there is screening and then you can skimcoat the area to seal it. If the wall is weak they have buttons that suck in the plaster. Usually the walls in old homes need some work. Check to see if the walls are painted or have wallpaper. I absolutely hate wallpaper. It is such a pain to get off - especially in older homes because they usually have multiple layers or have painted over the liner or wallpaper. By stripping it you tend to damage the walls a little bit. You could follow previous landlords and wallpaper over though. 

9. Woodwork - Is the trim in the home painted baseboards, window sills, etc.? This will likely be lead paint. You have to be careful with this if a renter has children. There are ways to eliminate surfaces that a child could bite such as capping the baseboards with a piece of half round.

Since you are in Massachusetts if the home has National Grid or Eversource there are incentives to insulate the home through the Mass Save program. You would need to do an energy audit and the auditor will give you recommendations (cost breakdown) on improving the energy efficiency of the home. They divide what will be paid through the incentive and the remaining costs to you. The company I work for is one of the installation contractors. It is a good program as you can save money and improve the energy efficiency (and value) of your home. They also have a HEAT loan where if you qualify you can get a 0% loan to replace a boiler/furnace and hot water tank, and windows/doors. I ended up using the program to replace a boiler. The only way to beat 0% is free so it's a great thing to take advantage of. 

I'm sure I left out things but those are the main things I would look for. The two-family I live in and I ended up remodeling my unit that I live in. The cost ended up being much higher than I originally intended because once I started remodeling one room and saw how the old horsehair plaster started crumbling I kept going. I ended up gutting a lot of walls. When you do this then the knob and tube wiring is exposed. Need to get that replaced and then insulate/drywall/plaster. Then I opened up a wall and changed the layout, creating an open concept kitchen/family room. In the process plumbing needed to be moved. It's all how far you want to go. If you start remodeling as I did you tend to open a can of worms with old homes. However, I am extremely happy with everything that I have done and when I eventually move out the unit will demand rent at the top of the market. Plus I know everything is new so I will have less big issues that come up each year (at least for that unit). 

Best of Luck!

John

Post: Help me explain Seller Financing to Grandma!

John PrunierPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Worcester, MA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 19

@Jim Sestito is this your grandmother? If it's your grandmother's home this is definitely something that I'm sure the rest of your family (or hers if you're not related) will be interested in being a part of. The home would likely be passed on or sold and the funds distributed. It can be a touchy issue if not everyone agrees. You need to work out a deal that makes sense for both parties and show her that you are not taking advantage of her. There are a lot of reasons why she would be weary of such a transaction so you need to work out all of the details before she is set against it. 

1. Are you planning on living in the one bedroom? Potentially do a contract where you lease the one bedroom with an option to buy? This may be the easiest to convince her to go with as she may not be ready to sell yet. If you rented the one bedroom she will see you taking care of the property in the mean time, etc. and may make her more open to other options to buy the property from her in the future. 

2. If she holds the note are you planning on putting a downpayment? Pay off her car loan as it seems to be secured by the house? 

3. Are you unable to get a (conventional) loan? Are you looking to get a lower interest rate than banks can offer? If she is related to you I'm sure you could get a good deal on the price and do a conventional loan, leaving her out of the financing part. The payments of a 30 year loan may be more favorable to you, especially with rates today. An elderly person would never hold a note that long - 10 years max and then if something happens to her before the note matures you would have to work out where the remainder of the payments would be sent.

4. If she did seller financing would she live for free (more like a reverse mortgage) or would she pay you rent? Are you putting something to guarantee her that you won't buy the property and have her move out?

Lots of options but think about these questions in order to structure a deal that is mutually beneficial. 

Best of luck!

John

Post: Beginner Advice

John PrunierPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Worcester, MA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 19

Hi Colby, welcome to BP! I can't agree more with @Ann Bellamy. Right now focus on paying off your debt as fast as you can. You're still very young and living rent free so there isn't a huge rush - don't want to get in over your head. I was in the same situation and ended up living at my parents' rent free for another year. Having less debt will be viewed more favorably when it comes time to get a loan. A lower interest rate over 30 years can save you thousands and will lower your monthly payment, making the payments more manageable. This especially holds true if you aren't doing a conventional loan and will have to pay PMI. Most muli-families are older and need work so you will either pay out of pocket (need to save more) or you can look into a 203k loan where the rehab costs are bundled into the loan. My first multi needed a lot more work than initially planned. It can get overwhelming so in the long run you will be happy that you saved more and have less debt.

Personally I would look at 3-families (3 beds v. 2 if possible). My first purchase was a 2-family but I recently purchased a 3-family and the cash flow is much better. I live in the 2-family and the rent helps pay most of my expenses but I am not living rent/expense free. However, when two of the units in my 3-family are rented it covers all of my expenses. You will likely be able to live rent/expense free depending on down payment, etc. Also, in the future when it is simply an investment property it will lessen the burden if someone moves out (currently happened to me) and you have to find a new tenant.

Even though I recommend waiting to buy a property it would still be wise to look at investment properties with a realtor so you can get a feel for what is out there in your price range. I ended up using two different realtors for my properties. The realtor for my second multi had her own investment properties - huge difference working with someone who has done it themselves. Then when you look at several properties you can work out the costs and see where you stand. It ended up taking me a while to find my first property as I was pickier about the location of where I wanted to live and most of the properties the numbers didn't make sense for the investment. 

If you still are set on buying a property it might be wise to invest with a friend or family member (siblings/cousins?). Both live in the same unit and rent out the others. You would have two incomes to qualify and would potentially be able to do a conventional loan to avoid paying PMI. Then you could always do a home equity loan for any updates.

Best of luck! 

Post: Renovate or cosmetics when old tenant moves out?

John PrunierPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Worcester, MA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 19

@Mike Wood I appreciate all of your feedback - been a huge help! Definitely nice to hear from someone who went through the same process and how you made it work. 

@Deanna Bennett thanks for the tip on the perks!

Post: Renovate or cosmetics when old tenant moves out?

John PrunierPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Worcester, MA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 19

@Nathan W. @Rico S. @Jeremy Dolan @Mike Wood

I appreciate the feedback! I agree that option 3 makes the most sense. Just reluctant with all the work done I guess. I can also post it and see what happens. 

1) Do you use Craigslist? I also read that many people use Postlets. Any feedback or other recommendations?

2) I was searching for some comparable units posted online. Not many that compare. How do you set your rental rates? 

3) I've never done a lease as I just inherited my tenants. Do you recommend talking with a real estate lawyer to draft a lease? I think it makes the most sense to also have the lease renew either June 1 or September 1. 

4) Any websites that you recommend for background/credit checks? Websites for autopay or do you have tenants transfer payment to your bank account? My current tenant writes checks but I would like to avoid this in the future.

Thanks!