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All Forum Posts by: Han Jaewon

Han Jaewon has started 2 posts and replied 6 times.

Post: HELOC then Refinance?

Han Jaewon
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  • Dallas, TX
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@Caroline Gerardo Thank you so much for the comprehensive advice! Your practical tips are incredibly helpful. 

And thank you everyone for taking the time to share the valuable guidance with me!!

Post: Seeking Advice on Financing Rental Property Purchase with HELOC and Traditional Loan

Han Jaewon
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  • Dallas, TX
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Quote from @Jay Hurst:
Quote from @Han Jaewon:

Hello BiggerPockets Community,

I've been looking for the investment rental properties on platforms like New Western, Zillow, and Redfin. I've noticed some appealing deals on New Western, but they require purchases to be made in cash or via hard money loans. As I'm trying to approach this with a solid strategy, here's where I stand and what I'm contemplating:

1. Home Equity Line of Credit (HELOC): 

My spouse and I own our primary residence outright (no mortgage) and have spoken to a banker at PNC. We were informed that we might be eligible for a HELOC up to $480k with a minimum interest rate of 9.31%. The plan allows switching between fixed and variable rates for a fee of $100. However, I'm wondering if this is a competitive deal in the current market, and would love to hear your opinions and experiences.

2. Investment Strategy - Using HELOC for Immediate Purchase:

I'm considering using the HELOC to purchase a property, especially those available through wholesalers like New Western, which require immediate cash payment.

My strategy includes refinancing the property later with a traditional loan to secure a lower interest rate and more stable long-term financing. Is this a feasible and commonly practiced strategy? Any pitfalls or success stories would be greatly appreciated.

3. Investment Strategy - Using Traditional Loan:

For properties listed on Zillow, Redfin, and similar platforms, I'm leaning towards securing a traditional mortgage loan, assuming these purchases don't demand the same immediacy as the off-market deals.

4. Tax Implications:

If I use a HELOC for purchasing a rental investment property, is the interest eligible for tax deduction?

    I am eager to learn from your experiences and insights. If you have suggestions, alternative strategies, or any advice on navigating these options effectively, please share. Your guidance will be invaluable to me as I embark on this real estate investment journey.

    Thank you for your time and help!


    1. Assuming good credit you can likely do better but HELOC's are priced on the consumer side of the house so they can move up or down based on the need for the deposits that come with them. I know First Citizens bank (branch on Sherry Lane in Dallas) was offering 5.99 for the first year then Prime minus .500 after that first year. No idea if they still are but you can catch specials on HELOC's. You can also get a first lien cash out in the mid 6's right now on a 30 year fixed. The appeal of the HELOC is that you do not get all the cash at once like you do on a cash out but cash out's are fixed rates (HELOC's are not) and with money market paying 5%+ plus right now your negative carry in yhe mid 6's is not terrible while you wait to find something.

    2. yes, paying cash then putting perm financing on the property after the fact is often used and can be a great way to get off market homes below market value and turn around using the actual or rehabbed value to pull your cash back out. We have no waiting period cash out programs that are perfect for this or anyone should be able to a delayed financing loan to pull some cash back out. 

    3. maybe not, cash can still get you a discount from some sellers.

    4. Leave it for a tax pro. 

    Thank you for the valuable advice! I will definitely look into the options you mentioned, especially the details about the first lien cash out, and the bank you mentioned.

    Post: HELOC then Refinance?

    Han Jaewon
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    Posted
    • Dallas, TX
    • Posts 6
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    Quote from @Caroline Gerardo:

    The HELOC has a start rate of Prime 8.5+ 3 ish, depends what your FICO is. The maximum cap is 23% it's 15 year amortization. You will qualify for less with a 15 year loan as the payment is higher and lenders use the maximum payment. A HELOC will get you the down payment/closing costs and be ready to close and look ready in the purchase contract but is the HELOC enough to pay all cash?

    Maybe rates will come down in the future where it will be more comfortable?

    Why a wholesaler? That's an extra cost in some situations. 

    Thanks for your insights. I've noticed some appealing deals through wholesalers, which requires cash/hard money only, which is why I'm keeping that as an option alongside exploring MLS listings with a traditional loan. We're targeting properties around the $300k mark, and with the banker at PNC indicating a possible HELOC of up to $480k, my thought was to leverage the HELOC for an all-cash purchase. The plan would be to then refinance shortly after to pay off the HELOC and secure a traditional loan.

    Based on your experience, do you think this approach is a reasonable way to proceed?

    Post: HELOC then Refinance?

    Han Jaewon
    Pro Member
    Posted
    • Dallas, TX
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    @Jay Hurst Thank you for your advice! I didn't know rental income can impact DTI. I appreciate your time and guidance :D

    Post: HELOC then Refinance?

    Han Jaewon
    Pro Member
    Posted
    • Dallas, TX
    • Posts 6
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    Hi BP community,

    I'm seeking to purhchase the real estate investment, and need some advice on financing options. 

    My Situation:
    - My spouse & I own two properties worth $600k, $200 fully paid.

    - Our combined after-tax income is $170k annually.

    - We have no outstanding mortgage debt.

      Recently, we discussed financing options with a banker at PNC and learned that we might qualify for a HELOC up to $480k, albeit with a relatively high minimum interest rate of 9.31%. Our plan was to use this HELOC to secure off-market deals from wholesalers and then pursue refinancing.

      Concerns and Seeking Advice:
      However, I've read discussions, indicating potential challenges in refinancing when a significant portion of DTI is tied up in a HELOC.

      Given our situation, I am keen on understanding:

      1. Is using a HELOC for purchasing and then refinancing a viable strategy, or does the impact on DTI make it less feasible?

      2.  If you have navigated a similar path, what strategies or precautions would you recommend to mitigate financial risks and ensure a smooth refinancing process?

      3. Are there alternative financing methods we should consider that align well with our financial standing and investment goals?

        I appreciate the shared knowledge and experiences on this platform and look forward to your valuable insights.

        Thank you!

        Post: Seeking Advice on Financing Rental Property Purchase with HELOC and Traditional Loan

        Han Jaewon
        Pro Member
        Posted
        • Dallas, TX
        • Posts 6
        • Votes 0

        Hello BiggerPockets Community,

        I've been looking for the investment rental properties on platforms like New Western, Zillow, and Redfin. I've noticed some appealing deals on New Western, but they require purchases to be made in cash or via hard money loans. As I'm trying to approach this with a solid strategy, here's where I stand and what I'm contemplating:

        1. Home Equity Line of Credit (HELOC): 

        My spouse and I own our primary residence outright (no mortgage) and have spoken to a banker at PNC. We were informed that we might be eligible for a HELOC up to $480k with a minimum interest rate of 9.31%. The plan allows switching between fixed and variable rates for a fee of $100. However, I'm wondering if this is a competitive deal in the current market, and would love to hear your opinions and experiences.

        2. Investment Strategy - Using HELOC for Immediate Purchase:

        I'm considering using the HELOC to purchase a property, especially those available through wholesalers like New Western, which require immediate cash payment.

        My strategy includes refinancing the property later with a traditional loan to secure a lower interest rate and more stable long-term financing. Is this a feasible and commonly practiced strategy? Any pitfalls or success stories would be greatly appreciated.

        3. Investment Strategy - Using Traditional Loan:

        For properties listed on Zillow, Redfin, and similar platforms, I'm leaning towards securing a traditional mortgage loan, assuming these purchases don't demand the same immediacy as the off-market deals.

        4. Tax Implications:

        If I use a HELOC for purchasing a rental investment property, is the interest eligible for tax deduction?

          I am eager to learn from your experiences and insights. If you have suggestions, alternative strategies, or any advice on navigating these options effectively, please share. Your guidance will be invaluable to me as I embark on this real estate investment journey.

          Thank you for your time and help!