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All Forum Posts by: Joshua Walther

Joshua Walther has started 2 posts and replied 4 times.

I'm considering purchasing a "halfway house" duplex. It is leased annually (on both sides) by another LLC that helps rehome tenants, thus acting as a halfway house. I believe this introduces the risk of drug/alcohol/crime occurrences, but it seems like a no brainer deal from the money perspective. Ask is $160k and it is rented for 1k/mo each side, so $2,000/mo total. This would be my first investment, but seems like a very easy deal, and I would assume that the rehoming LLC mainly deals with tenant issues since they are paying to fill the vacancies. I would have to say goodbye to the FHA and go 20% down most likely, but I think it would pay for itself fairly quickly. It went on the market very recently and will probably sell by beginning of next week.

Does anyone have experience with this type of investing? Guaranteed monthly income is very incentivizing for me to pull the trigger.

Quote from @James York:

@Joshua Walther I don’t know all your circumstances, but it seems the potential for unexpected work is high and your interest/ability to handle these items is limited. I’d say you’re fine to walk away from this one. You will make mistakes and things will go wrong on your first (or 100th) property, but this has some issues you may not want to take on for deal #1. Keep making offers!

 @James York thanks for the feedback! I'm just glad no one is saying I made a huge mistake walking away. It's hard to have that confidence when you have never purchased before. Definitely going to keep making those offers!! Looking into some SF homes more now too. Not nearly as quick of a cash return, but at least I could get an A class property that I could hold forever and have as a staple in more portfolio?

Quote from @James Wilcox:

@Joshua Walther I see a bit of both in this story. Some issues you brought up where not issues to walk away from the property and yet some of the things you stated were deal breakers depending on the severity. At the end of the day you need to know your own risk tolerance. Overall, if I had to advise as a newbie you are probably ok with walking away on this one. Try to find a property that isn't as old to avoid some of these issues you stated. At the end of the day you are already out of the deal. No sense in living in the past because there will always be deals that were never done that came across your desk. Move onto the next one  and take what lesson you learned out of the experience with you.

@James Wilcox Hey thanks for the feedback. Completely agree with you. It was the closest I had come to owning my first property, so I wanted to review my decisions and make sure I had my ducks in a row before getting the next one under contract. 

I am curious what the community here thinks of this deal, and if I made the right decision. My plan is to start off with some solid and reliable rental properties, and eventually scale out to multiple short-term rental properties when I have more cash. It is important to me that I take my first deal very seriously, because I want it to be a sound and also profitable decision that helps me grow, rather than deflates my investability.

The deal: Triplex in Newport, KY for $360,000. Using FHA loan, offered asking of 360,000. After inspection, requested repairs. No repairs were granted, but seller offered $4,000 in closing costs plus 1 year warranty. I decided to terminate, and before signing they offered $9,000 in closing costs (this was beyond the actual closing costs, and I would have had to find a way to work it into the deal, if possible) plus the warranty to keep the deal on the table. I decided to ultimately terminate. PITI was $2398 + utilities for all units. I estimated utilities to cost around 500/mo for the 3 units.

Pros: Great location. Ready for owner occupany, with the two 1/1 units rented out for 1100 per unit. One 2/1 unit left and owner estimated it to rent for 1500. Loved the set up with a nice courtyard and again, location. Property had some nice updates, including granite counter tops, some newer appliances, some hardwood flooring, fresh paint, and tiling in the bathrooms and backsplash in the kitchens. Recessed lighting was also there. Seller did replace (the reachable) knob and tube wiring. Newport boasts the highest rental rates in KY.

Cons: Built in 1879. Current owner has only owned 5 months. Bought for 215,000. It was difficult to justify the 67% increase for cosmetics. Utilities were not separated. Only 2 furnaces and one electric box. Inspection revealed improperly shimmied joists and structural sagging, furnaces were 31+ years old (seller would not replace), moisture behind some of the shower tiling, chimney need mason work done and looked structurally suspect. The two 1/1 units shared a single thermostat, located in the cellar. They had vastly different ceiling heights, and when I spoke with them they complained this was already an issue for them. The upstairs furnace did not turn on during the inspection. The stove upstairs was supposed to be stainless steel but was not, and had a questionable start up during the inspection (loud bang).

My main gripe was simply the potential pitfall of having to spend a lot of cash really fast on the property. The cash to close was going to be around 18,000 minus the closing costs the sellers agreed to pay. The owner occupany in year 1 would yield no profit, and cost an estimated 12,000 to live in. After that, assuming the furnaces didn't blow out and cost an additional 4-6k to install and replace each, I would not reach a cash on cash return of 100% until year 5, assuming everything held together fine and there were no major repairs. I felt terminating the contract was right because it was too risky as a first time investor.