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All Forum Posts by: Joshua Schmidt

Joshua Schmidt has started 19 posts and replied 105 times.

Post: What would you do next?

Joshua SchmidtPosted
  • Investor
  • Central Arkansas
  • Posts 109
  • Votes 58

Well, we are at a good/fun point in the business as it is decision time on what to do next and how to do it. We currently have used the BRRRR strategy and I would like to stick with that strategy in some shape, form or fashion. Below are the options we are looking at to move forward and I'd like to ask everyone's opinion on what our next steps should be. First, I would like to tell you a little bit about our goals, our situations, and how we blend them to make the team that we currently have.

Let me start by giving you the make-up of our team so far. There are four of us that have got together and formed an LLC. We have known each other for almost 20 years and we all have unique qualities that we bring to the team. We have one guy that handles the remodels/flips and everything that goes with the rehab of the properties. From dealing with contractors to doing some/all of the work himself on some projects, he is the go to guy. We have one guy that manages the properties, from fielding calls about clogged toilets, to ensuring tenants are taking care of the property, to scheduling the lawn to be mowed, he is the go to guy. We have one guy that is the legal guy (he is actually a lawyer). He ensures our contracts are rock solid for us and for our tenants. He also has a hand in finances and dealing with banks, etc. Finally, there is me, I'm a Realtor and the deal finder. I also have a hand in the finances, working with investors and how we finance our deals. We all owned Real Estate investments before we formed our LLC, but have taken our combined experience to try and grow as fast and as big as we can, but do it at a rate we can all handle. We also have an accountant that we work with frequently and have formed a few good connections with investors and some local banks. We all four are still in the Military (I'm retiring in November this year...YAY) and have full time government careers. However, we don't want to all stay in the rat race forever and even though I am retiring from the Military, I will still be keeping my full time job as the Airfield Manager. We are a very busy group, but I have no doubts that we can grow the business to the level that we will all be happy with.

GOALS:

First off, we want to build a business big enough that in the next 5 years, it can replace the income of all of our day jobs. This roughly looks like 500k a year or about $42,000 per month between the four of us. That will allow 100K a piece per year, plus 100K back into the business every year. That is very doable, especially once you start breaking it down into doors needed to do so. At $200 dollars a door, that is 210 units needed in the next 5 years. That sounds daunting at first until you break it down into units needed per month to be on track for this which is roughly 3.5 units per month or 42 units a year. Yes, I know, that is a BIG HAIRY AUDACIOUS GOAL, but I fully believe we are capable of doing it with this team. Also, if it takes us 10 years to get to this point, that isn't a problem at all for any of the four of us, we just WANT to get to this point in 5 years.

PLAN:

As I mentioned earlier we have been utilizing a form of the BRRRR strategy to start our journey. We want to build a foundation on Single Family Residential that will be a base to fund the daily operations as we grow. We plan to flip some properties to build our capital while also doing buy and holds to ensure we have a passive income stream being built. Once we get to a certain point (not sure what this point is yet), we will switch over to growing the portfolio through acquiring small to medium sized multi-family housing, storage units and mobile home parks. These are all part of the expanding process in our minds, however we may niche down on one or two of them until they are built to a point we are comfortable with. So now that the goals and mid-long term plans have been discussed, I want to ask your opinions on what we should do moving forward to finance these plans.

FINANCING: Right now, we are days away from finishing up the refinance part of a BRRRR strategy house. After this refinance, we will have about 65k in the operating/reserve accounts. We have commitments from investors of about 35k and we are currently working with a bank that could possibly offer us a commercial line of credit. We are also open to hard money lending as I know that line of financing gives us many options to choose from. Right now, the plan is to look for 3 bd, 2 bth, single family houses that we can purchase for 100k or less, rehab for 50k or less and have an after repair value of 200K or more. They are plentiful around here! We are focusing on auction, foreclosure and pre-foreclosure deals. Here is where my question comes in, if you were in this situation, what would be your next move? I'd like to get to the point where we are working on 1-2 buy and hold properties while simultaneously working on 1-2 flips so we can raise the amount of capital we have on hand to eventually be able to phase out hard money/banks (at least in reference to the SFH purchases).

Our options look kind of like this: 1. Use existing funds, paired with investor funds to do next flip/buy and hold. 2. Use hard money and investor funds for next flip/buy and hold. 3. Use Investor funds and bank line of credit for next flip/buy and hold. 4. Use funds on hand and hard money for next flip/buy and hold.

What are your thoughts on moving forward? What would you do? Are there options that I am missing? If I have left out some details, please feel free to ask, thanks!

Post: Growing the Business

Joshua SchmidtPosted
  • Investor
  • Central Arkansas
  • Posts 109
  • Votes 58

Well, we are at a good/fun point in the business as it is decision time on what to do next and how to do it. We currently have used the BRRRR strategy and I would like to stick with that strategy in some shape, form or fashion. Below are the options we are looking at to move forward and I'd like to ask everyone's opinion on what our next steps should be. First, I would like to tell you a little bit about our goals, our situations, and how we blend them to make the team that we currently have.

Let me start by giving you the make-up of our team so far. There are four of us that have got together and formed an LLC. We have known each other for almost 20 years and we all have unique qualities that we bring to the team. We have one guy that handles the remodels/flips and everything that goes with the rehab of the properties. From dealing with contractors to doing some/all of the work himself on some projects, he is the go to guy. We have one guy that manages the properties, from fielding calls about clogged toilets, to ensuring tenants are taking care of the property, to scheduling the lawn to be mowed, he is the go to guy. We have one guy that is the legal guy (he is actually a lawyer). He ensures our contracts are rock solid for us and for our tenants. He also has a hand in finances and dealing with banks, etc. Finally, there is me, I'm a Realtor and the deal finder. I also have a hand in the finances, working with investors and how we finance our deals. We all owned Real Estate investments before we formed our LLC, but have taken our combined experience to try and grow as fast and as big as we can, but do it at a rate we can all handle. We also have an accountant that we work with frequently and have formed a few good connections with investors and some local banks. We all four are still in the Military (I'm retiring in November this year...YAY) and have full time government careers. However, we don't want to all stay in the rat race forever and even though I am retiring from the Military, I will still be keeping my full time job as the Airfield Manager. We are a very busy group, but I have no doubts that we can grow the business to the level that we will all be happy with.

GOALS:

First off, we want to build a business big enough that in the next 5 years, it can replace the income of all of our day jobs. This roughly looks like 500k a year or about $42,000 per month between the four of us. That will allow 100K a piece per year, plus 100K back into the business every year. That is very doable, especially once you start breaking it down into doors needed to do so. At $200 dollars a door, that is 210 units needed in the next 5 years. That sounds daunting at first until you break it down into units needed per month to be on track for this which is roughly 3.5 units per month or 42 units a year. Yes, I know, that is a BIG HAIRY AUDACIOUS GOAL, but I fully believe we are capable of doing it with this team. Also, if it takes us 10 years to get to this point, that isn't a problem at all for any of the four of us, we just WANT to get to this point in 5 years. 

PLAN:

As I mentioned earlier we have been utilizing a form of the BRRRR strategy to start our journey. We want to build a foundation on Single Family Residential that will be a base to fund the daily operations as we grow. We plan to flip some properties to build our capital while also doing buy and holds to ensure we have a passive income stream being built. Once we get to a certain point (not sure what this point is yet), we will switch over to growing the portfolio through acquiring small to medium sized multi-family housing, storage units and mobile home parks. These are all part of the expanding process in our minds, however we may niche down on one or two of them until they are built to a point we are comfortable with. So now that the goals and mid-long term plans have been discussed, I want to ask your opinions on what we should do moving forward to finance these plans.

FINANCING: Right now, we are days away from finishing up the refinance part of a BRRRR strategy house. After this refinance, we will have about 65k in the operating/reserve accounts. We have commitments from investors of about 35k and we are currently working with a bank that could possibly offer us a commercial line of credit. We are also open to hard money lending as I know that line of financing gives us many options to choose from. Right now, the plan is to look for 3 bd, 2 bth, single family houses that we can purchase for 100k or less, rehab for 50k or less and have an after repair value of 200K or more. They are plentiful around here! We are focusing on auction, foreclosure and pre-foreclosure deals. Here is where my question comes in, if you were in this situation, what would be your next move? I'd like to get to the point where we are working on 1-2 buy and hold properties while simultaneously working on 1-2 flips so we can raise the amount of capital we have on hand to eventually be able to phase out hard money/banks (at least in reference to the SFH purchases).

Our options look kind of like this: 1. Use existing funds, paired with investor funds to do next flip/buy and hold. 2. Use hard money and investor funds for next flip/buy and hold. 3. Use Investor funds and bank line of credit for next flip/buy and hold. 4. Use funds on hand and hard money for next flip/buy and hold. 

What are your thoughts on moving forward? What would you do? Are there options that I am missing? If I have left out some details, please feel free to ask, thanks!

Post: Rentals Depreciated Out...now what?

Joshua SchmidtPosted
  • Investor
  • Central Arkansas
  • Posts 109
  • Votes 58

@Dave Foster lol, mentally, I feel like I'm 20, physically, after 20 years in the Military, I feel like I'm 60!  I may need a pair of those biofocals as well....

Post: Rentals Depreciated Out...now what?

Joshua SchmidtPosted
  • Investor
  • Central Arkansas
  • Posts 109
  • Votes 58
Originally posted by @Dave Foster:

@Joshua Schmidt, Kudo's for paying it forward with your friend!  You mentioned you're "a lot younger".  As mentioned previously this is really what the 1031 is built for - to take highly depreciated properties and add depreciable basis through the acquisition of more and more expensive properties to keep the tax at bay and provide additional depreciation.

But when the investor gets to a certain place in life that option of expansion isn't nearly as appealing as it might be if they were younger.  So the strategy of continuing to defer the tax with 1031s but not adding depreciable basis in the form of purchasing more becomes attractive as well as simplifying and moving from active to passive investing.

I'd also take a close look at those properties they are selling.  One thing most people forget or don't know is that the basis of those properties is not "0".  Depreciation only applies to actual construction and not land value.  It is possible that the depreciation on those properties actually is a small fraction of the actual value.  This would shift the actual depreciation recapture amount.  

We had a Key West client with a rental trailer on the water (it's always that stuff that survives the hurricanes).  He was concerned because he had depreciated it out.  But the reality is that he had been depreciating $20K worth of trailer on a $200K lot.  That's still a tax hit.  But not nearly as much as he feared. 

Dave, I guess the term "a lot younger" can be very subjective.  I'm 40, they are in their early-50s at the oldest.  I think 1031 could definitely still be a viable option for them for sure. I didn't know about the land separation when it comes to depreciation, thanks for bringing that up and it may be something that helps them out for sure.  I'll pass the word on and see if it is something that is viable for them.  Thanks again!

Post: Rentals Depreciated Out...now what?

Joshua SchmidtPosted
  • Investor
  • Central Arkansas
  • Posts 109
  • Votes 58
Originally posted by @Mike Dymski:

Tell them to pop a bottle of Champaign and celebrate.  The amount of deferred taxes and the resulting earnings on those funds over such a long period should be massive.

 I agree Mike, it definitely sounds like a good "problem" to have, lol!

Post: Rentals Depreciated Out...now what?

Joshua SchmidtPosted
  • Investor
  • Central Arkansas
  • Posts 109
  • Votes 58
Originally posted by @Mary Cronin:

I'm not a 1031 expert, but I don't think that will fix the problem - I think they keep the same basis (i.e. -0-) for depreciation purposes. 

It all starts over with a sale (but you pay tax on the gain) maybe an installment sale? (tax spread out over term of installments? Talk to a knowledgable real estate tax accountant. 

I'm not accountant but this one is tricky so get good advice. (This is why some people make gifts to family members every year - weird percentages to keep gift value below gifting limits - such as 3.841% - maybe a good attorney too).

This can come back to bite you. Worked on one where several percent of ownership disappeared over 150 years - had to do a quiet title lawsuit to correct title among all the heirs (40+?) so they all received their correct interests. [A 60+ page complaint tracing every transfer for every generation since 1860.]

Mary, I have never heard of an installment sale and have done literally zero research on gifts.  I will definitely look into both as I would like to know more and in what situations they would work best.  Thanks for the input!

Post: Rentals Depreciated Out...now what?

Joshua SchmidtPosted
  • Investor
  • Central Arkansas
  • Posts 109
  • Votes 58
Originally posted by @Bill Exeter:

Hi @Joshua Schmidt

This is one of the 1031 Exchange strategies that is used often when investment properties have been fully depreciated.  The investor can sell their current rental properties that are fully depreciated, structure a 1031 Exchange and acquire one or more replacement properties of GREATER value to complete their 1031 Exchange. 

Their depreciation does NOT start all over again, but by trading up in value they have acquired additional cost basis that can be depreciated.  For example, if their portfolio was valued at $1.0 million and was fully depreciated, they could 1031 Exchange into a portfolio that was worth $2.0 million and by doing this they have traded up by an additional $1.0 million in cost and can now depreciate this additional "cost basis" that was acquired through the 1031 Exchange.  

Thank you so much Bill, that is what I have read and just wanted to make sure that is how I was understanding it.  I think 1031 is the way I would go for sure, but I'm much younger and still in acquisition mode.  I don't know if they want to deal with what come with upgrading to bigger properties and more tenants.  I look at it as a GREAT problem to have, lol.

Post: Rentals Depreciated Out...now what?

Joshua SchmidtPosted
  • Investor
  • Central Arkansas
  • Posts 109
  • Votes 58

I have a friend that has about 12 properties they have had for over 27 1/2 years. The properties are completely depreciated out, they are all SFR, and I'd like to be able to give them solid advice. We have already spoke about doing a 1031 exchange with them, but I want to make sure that is something that is good for them. I believe they would be open to that option, but if there are other options, I'd like to hear them.

Post: Little Rock AR, good or bad investment area

Joshua SchmidtPosted
  • Investor
  • Central Arkansas
  • Posts 109
  • Votes 58

Completely agree with Adam here.  NW Arkansas has become over priced and rents haven't kept up while cash flow is usually better here in Central Arkanasas

Post: Financing drying up?

Joshua SchmidtPosted
  • Investor
  • Central Arkansas
  • Posts 109
  • Votes 58
Originally posted by @Shane Gordon:

@Joshua Schmidt I am a newbie getting started in BRRRR in Arkansas as well. How did you pay for the house upfront before you rehabbed it? We are looking to use a HELOC to purchase, then do the cash out refi later on. Please let me know of the bank you are using if they are lending right now. Thanks!

Shane, we did traditional financing, 20% down and had the money on hand to do the rehab. Did most of the work ourselves as this was our first one. We are going to get all of our money back after the BRRRR and should be able to move on to the next one. However, we haven't refinanced yet as I am still in Afghanistan about to make the 2 week trip (because of Covid its that long) back home. Ready to get this wrapped up and move on to the next one! I'll let you know in this thread as soon as we refinance and who we done it through. We financed the original deal through Bank of Little Rock Mortgage and Monica is a Rockstar!