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All Forum Posts by: Josh Smith

Josh Smith has started 8 posts and replied 19 times.

Quote from @Rod Hanks:

Party 1 seems like a slam dunk no brainer over Party 2.


 Thanks Rod for your opinion. Worth the $5,400 yearly rent gap I assume ($450 X 12)?

Hi,

I have a SFH to rent out in California. It's above average condition in a good location. It's been on Zillow for a week. I have done 3 showings with a few more lined up. 2 parties have expressed interest and I want to request your help in choosing between the options:

  • Party1: Willing to pay $4,000 p.m. Mid thirties couple earning very well (more than 8X rent) with a small pet. Excellent credit history. They own a house and relocating for work.
  • Party2: Willing to pay $4,450. Couple in their sixties with 3 adult male children. No pets. Family immigrated to the US 1 month back. 3 children have found jobs at a nearly plant and the father will try to find a job. Combined income is 3X rent. All 5 members have no credit history as such but do have SSN’s. I asked them to pay 2 months deposit so I may get more surety, but they declined saying they cannot afford it. A local couple who’se combined income is 300K and who sponsored the family’s immigration to US is willing to be co-signers for the family of 5.

I am thinking that Party2 will put more miles on the house and may be harder to deal with in case of any complaints or eviction, though I am not an experienced landlord so I am not sure what are the factors to evaluate or what all can go wrong?

Any thoughts are very welcome!

Thanks.

Quote from @Michael Plaks:
I cannot answer your question without knowing the full picture, but generally:

Your Sch E loss goes into one of the two places, and it's either-or, never both:
- if allowed, to Sch 1 and from there to 1040
- if not allowed, to 8582

 Thanks Michael!

Quote from @Basit Siddiqi:

unreimbursed employee expenses are currently phased out at the federal level.

However, they may still be deductible at the state level.

However, for you to take advantage of the unreimbursed employee expense at the state level, you likely need to itemize your deductions.
Furthermore, you normally need to go above a certain threshold before they get counted as a deduction.

Also, do not factor in any costs that are reimbursed by your employer.
I.E. if you pay $1,000 for a continuing education course but reimbursed $1,000 by your employer. It would not be counted.


Thanks Basit. May I ask: In Form 2106 can I include things like (a share of) utilities, internet, phone, etc towards the home office OR only stuff like overnight travel (of which I have none)? The instructions for 2106 seem to indicate only the latter, but I have heard folks including the former also.

Quote from @Account Closed:
  1. Yes, you're correct. If 50-60% of your house is rented out, you should generally be able to deduct that percentage of expenses, mortgage interest, and property taxes on Schedule E, which is used for reporting rental income and expenses.
  2. When I mentioned, "If you were to convert SFH2 into a full rental without personal use, you might qualify for certain tax benefits associated with rental properties," it was referring to the fact that if the property is used exclusively for rental purposes and not for personal use, it may qualify for certain tax advantages. Some potential benefits include:
    • Depreciation: You may be able to deduct the cost of the property (excluding land) over several years, which can provide a significant tax benefit.
    • Additional Deductions: You may be eligible for additional deductions related to operating expenses, maintenance, repairs, and other costs associated with renting out the property.
    • Losses: If your rental expenses exceed your rental income, you may be able to deduct the resulting loss from your overall income, subject to certain limitations.
    • Tax Credits: Depending on the nature of the property and any improvements you make, you might be eligible for certain tax credits.

Keep in mind that the tax laws can be complex and subject to change, so it's advisable to consult with a tax professional who can provide advice tailored to your specific situation. They can help you navigate the intricacies of tax regulations and ensure you're maximizing your benefits while staying compliant with the law.

 Thanks! Very well explained!

Quote from @Michael Plaks:

@Josh Smith

@Josh SmithMy colleagues were referring to Federal rules that no longer allow work-related expenses previously claimed on Form 2106.

CA, however, opted to not conform. It's a rare case when CA law is more beneficial than the federal law, usually it's the other way around. So yes, you can and should still use 2106 with CA 540. 

Now, to the less exciting news:

- you still need to qualify. For example, if working from home is your choice, and you could work from office but chose not to - it is debatable whether you qualify

- your expenses may not be enough to make a difference on your CA tax liability


Thanks Michael. Your response makes a lot of sense. In Form 2106 can I include things like (a share of) utilities, internet, phone, etc towards the home office OR only stuff like overnight travel (of which I have none)? The instructions for 2106 seem to indicate only the latter, but I have heard folks including the former also.

Appreciate it!

Quote from @Account Closed:
  1. Tax Perspective:
    • The tax implications of your arrangement could depend on various factors. Generally, if you rent out part of your property, you may be eligible for certain tax deductions related to the rental portion.
    • The IRS is primarily concerned with the amount of time the property is used for personal purposes versus rental purposes. If you use the property for personal use for more than 14 days or 10% of the total days it is rented (whichever is greater), it might be considered a personal residence.
  2. Tax Classification:
    • The IRS does not have a specific category called "second home" for tax purposes. The classification often depends on how you use the property. If you use it personally and rent it out, it might be considered a "mixed-use" property.
    • The IRS typically distinguishes between a property used for personal use, a rental property, or a combination of both. The tax treatment could vary based on the percentage of time the property is used for personal use versus rental.
  3. Advantages/Disadvantages:
    • Advantages of your current arrangement might include potential tax deductions related to the rental portion, such as property taxes, mortgage interest, and operating expenses.
    • Disadvantages might involve complexities in tracking expenses and income, and potential limitations on certain deductions if the property is not rented out for a significant portion of the year.
    • If you were to convert SFH2 into a full rental without personal use, you might qualify for certain tax benefits associated with rental properties, but you may lose some of the personal use benefits.

Hi Kisley,

Thanks for the excellent analysis. The house is about 50-60% rented out to 6+month leases. If I might ask some quick follow ups:
1) So i guess from your answer SFH2 will be considered a "personal residence". But I should still be able to deduct approx 50-60% of the expenses, mortgage interest, property taxes towards Schedule E, correct?

2)  You mentioned, "If you were to convert SFH2 into a full rental without personal use, you might qualify for certain tax benefits associated with rental properties." : May I know what these benefits may be?

Many Thanks!

Quote from @Michael Plaks:

@Josh Smith

1 - not odd, don't worry

2 - "mixed use property" which is the same as vacation property. 

3 - an earlier answer to your question was correct that you cannot take losses, but it cited the wrong reason. The real reason is renting by room. When you rent by room, you cannot claim losses, period.

And I totally agree with both parts of this advice given to you: "The most advantageous from a tax perspective would probably be to have that second home to be a short term rental. But I wouldn't make a decision solely for tax purposes."

Hi Michael,

Thanks! What may you mean "you cannot take losses"? Do you mean I cannot claim even a passive (paper) loss on my Schedule E/8582 or I cannot take an active loss?
Thank you.


Quote from @Sammy Habbaz:

1) you shouldn't worry that it looks wrong. Work with a professional, keep good records and you're good. 

2) don't think it would have a specific name. It's a cross between an investment property and personal use property. 

3) Assuming you don't qualify as a real estate professional, assuming your AGI is above 150K, and assuming that this isn't a short term rental, the losses are considered passive and limited to this specific activity. If you block off these rooms and don't use for personal reasons, there's leeway to say that the rooms are considered it's own activity and it won't be limited. 

 The most advantageous from a tax perspective would probably be to have that second home to be a short term rental. But I wouldn't make a decision solely for tax purposes. 

Hi Sammy,

Excellent advise. I did not know about the tax advantages of short term rental and a quick google filled me in. Thanks.
What do you mean by "If you block off these rooms and don't use for personal reasons, there's leeway to say that the rooms are considered it's own activity and it won't be limited."

Yes my AGI is above 150K and I am not a RE professional and this is not a short term rental. I rent about 50% of the house basically.

Thanks!





Quote from @Sammy Habbaz:

Is your AGI between 100-150K?

 No, its more than 200K. Thanks.