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All Forum Posts by: Josh R.

Josh R. has started 37 posts and replied 98 times.

Post: What to do with a property that has too much equity?

Josh R.
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wake Forest, NC
  • Posts 103
  • Votes 148
Quote from @James Hamling:

@Josh R. there is another option, one that would raise you're ROI too infinite, eliminate that finance rate too 0%, and via reduction in $-expense, increase cash-flow.

All it requires is to not be greedy.... 

Your sitting at about 40% equity position. So vs buying other $, which is what finance is, it's purchasing $, how about you help solve a problem many have out there of a good, solid place for capital placement. 

No, I am not saying syndicate but reality is that's where the big-$ is made, when you unlock OPM at scale. So how about you SELL the equity to a minimum # of other "passive" partners? 

For example, sell too 10 "partners", each comes in at $65k, each receives 6% equity stake. 

Remember when I said all it requires is to not get greedy; some would see this and obsess on being at "only" 40% ownership now and completely ignore the fact of how all that math plays out in this. 

You would now be free & clear of any debt service and the expense impact of such. You can fairly collect some form of compensation for being the managing member. Everyone wins.     Except the bank, they loose, because now your partners and you are getting what $ they would have sucked out of it. 

If you can get over the mental thought that you "gave away" 60% and look at the math, what the math does, I think it will blow your mind. Grant Cardone "10X" blow your mind. 

And now your building a community and reputation with the BEST finance-$ there is, PRIVATE-$. Where terms are per discussion and peer-2-peer negotiations. 

And once set, this shifts the focus to rinse and repeat, finding the next value-add potential and making magic happen again. 

What would life look like for you Josh if you did just 10 of these properties, in grand total, and stopped there. And had "only" 40% equity stake, partners with the other 60%, but via doing value-add each is at or near infinite rate of return (ie zero or near 0 capital into it personally). 

What does that income picture, and time-line to complete 10, look like vs holding onto 100% and "paying the bank" as your sole "partner"..... Which is more quickly achieved? By how many years? Or better said, by how many decades of difference is it? 


 I am incredibly interested in hearing more about this. I never even considered something like this. Would you be ok with jumping on a call with me as I am trying to wrap my head around this? Thank you for taking the time out to give me another idea on how to tackle this!

Post: What to do with a property that has too much equity?

Josh R.
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wake Forest, NC
  • Posts 103
  • Votes 148
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Josh R.

Reality is now is not a great time to buy real estate. Now, of course there are deals out there that can be had but personally, I am 100% OK with my money in the markets and keeping a balanced portfolio while I wait for the opportune time to acquire more real estate.


 thats a fair point. I do have other options to invest in the market till the Real Estate comes back I guess I am just getting impatient.

Post: What to do with a property that has too much equity?

Josh R.
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wake Forest, NC
  • Posts 103
  • Votes 148
Quote from @Caryn Seifert:

A 1031 has a definitive time frame and you may not be able to find another property that meets your criteria in that time frame depending on location. 

Could you sell it to a new LLC you own and get a new loan for less than 8%?


 Its possible but it would still be close to wiping out the rest of the cash flow I have due to the loan principal/interest payment. I feel the ROE needs to be redeployed but with intention. Its like sitting on a gold mine without being able to pull the gold out

Post: What to do with a property that has too much equity?

Josh R.
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wake Forest, NC
  • Posts 103
  • Votes 148
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Josh R.

We are sitting on what I would consider a significant amount of equity but our debt is at 3% or less on our loans (or we own outright).

Right now we are not selling anything or cashing out that equity - if anything I would look to acquire a property and find a HML that would cross collateralize one of my other assets so I don't have to sell it but use it as collateral.


 Thats an idea.. Hard money to collateralize the equity... ill look into that as an option

Post: What to do with a property that has too much equity?

Josh R.
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wake Forest, NC
  • Posts 103
  • Votes 148
Quote from @Tim Delaney:

That seems like quite a jump in rate! I’m getting quotes in the high sixes to low sevens right now on commercial loans so the first thing you may want to do is double check that. Obviously a lot can change between now and next year as well.

1031 would seem an obvious choice. There are rumblings that over the next year or two more apartment buildings may come available. I’m not a 1031 expert but I believe you need to use the same amount of debt you currently have. Plus if you bought with all cash from the proceeds of the sale you would be trading down in asset value quite a bit.

Depending on the refi rate you could consider keeping this and refinancing it to pull some cash out which you could use as a down payment on another property.

Just some thoughts, hope they help


the issue with the refi is those rates at the new loan if i do a 75% LTV will almost overcome the cash flow its producing now and basically get to a break even point. I have other apartments as well that I could wrap all into one big 1031 exchange but probably need to identify the deal before I even try and sell the whole portfolio to trade up... I know its a nuance to try and 1031 and hope the deal is still there when my properties sell. I just know the 500k sitting there needs to work harder that what it is

Post: What to do with a property that has too much equity?

Josh R.
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wake Forest, NC
  • Posts 103
  • Votes 148

Hi BP Peeps,

So I have run into a good problem. Long story short, my portfolio's equity has grown to the point where the return on equity is so low that it has forced me to consider selling my 14 unit apartment building. 4 years ago when I bought this property for 445k and I dumped in 200k and has performed incredibly well and rents have grown, the building is now worth around 1.1M. I owe 650k. As you can tell there is a large amount of money sitting there , to which has made my cash flow now negligible at best when considering ROE. To top it off my my 5 year balloon comes up next year and the interest rate almost doubles from where it was from 4.75 to 8%. I could sell my entire portfolio of 28 doors and pull the leverage lever OR I could sell this 14 unit and pay for something in all cash and do a lazy 1031 exchange, or do a regular 1031 which puts more pressure on the time frame. 

To the other people who have faced this issue with too much equity sitting around and the need to grow, what would you do with this? Sell, STR, partner on bigger deal, etc?

Thanks for the ideas!

Josh

Post: Prescott AZ and Surrounding Area Meetup - April 12 2023

Josh R.
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wake Forest, NC
  • Posts 103
  • Votes 148

Hi BP'ers!!

Come have a beer(or your favorite drink), get some food and network with other local investors. This is a great opportunity for new as well as seasoned investors to network and build lasting relationships. People from all areas of Real Estate are encouraged to come regardless of experience level. Residential, Commercial, Wholesalers, Contractors, Flippers, Real Estate Agents/Brokers, Property Managers, Lenders, and Rental Property Owners.

We are meeting at: LazyG Brewhouse. We will have our own dedicated space for networking. Please tag those I may have missed. Look forward to seeing everyone there!

* No RSVP is necessary, but if you know for sure you're coming, mention it on this thread. It helps others see that you will be there.

* Please tag others for attention so no one misses this post!

Keywords: Prescott, Phoenix, Prescott Valley, Verde Valley, Sedona, Flagstaff, Cottonwood, Williamson, Clarkdale, Jerome, Paulden

I hope to see you all there!

Please tag all those who would be interested! We will add you to our list of attendees as well as our email list.


LazyG Brewhouse
220 W Leroux St,
Prescott, AZ 86303

928-445-2994

Post: Pints and Properties

Josh R.
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wake Forest, NC
  • Posts 103
  • Votes 148

Yaaaas! A topic I am most interested in down here in Tampa.. Looking forward to it :)

Post: Tampa Bay Free RE Meetup - January 2022

Josh R.
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wake Forest, NC
  • Posts 103
  • Votes 148

In the area and looking forward to meeting everyone here!

Post: Raleigh/Durham and Surrounding Areas Meetup

Josh R.
Pro Member
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wake Forest, NC
  • Posts 103
  • Votes 148

Hi BP'ers!!

Come have a beer(or your favorite drink), get some food and network with other local investors. This is a great opportunity for new as well as seasoned investors to network and build lasting relationships. People from all areas of Real Estate are encouraged to come regardless of experience level. Residential, Commercial, Wholesalers, Contractors, Flippers, Real Estate Agents/Brokers, Property Managers, Lenders, and Rental Property Owners.

We are meeting at: Pickled Onion in Raleigh off of Glenwood. We will have our own dedicated space for networking. We will be eating outside in our own area. Please tag those I may have missed. Look forward to seeing everyone there!

* No RSVP is necessary, but if you know for sure you're coming, mention it on this thread. It helps others see that you will be there.

* Please tag others for attention so no one misses this post!

Keywords: Apex, Cary, Raleigh, Durham, Morrisville, Wake Forest, Chapel Hill, Clayton, Garner, Fuquay Varina, Knightdale, Mebane, Zebulon, Creedmoor, Roxboro, Goldsboro, Smithfield, Sanford, Holly Springs, Angier, Wendell, Youngsville, Franklinton, Louisburg, Oxford, Hillsborough, Burlington, Siler City, Pittsboro, Lillington, Fayetteville, Triangle, RTP, RDU, Research Triangle

I hope to see you all there

Please tag all those who would be interested! We will add you to our list of attendees as well as our email list.

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