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All Forum Posts by: Josh Havekost

Josh Havekost has started 0 posts and replied 6 times.

Quote from @Robert Frazier:
Quote from @Austin Wolff:

During my day job of Market Analysis here at BiggerPockets, Boise, ID consistently comes up as one of the best markets for real estate investors. Its growth rate is intimidating, and my personal interpretation of the data is that the market is actually still undervalued

Thank you for posting this. Even I was unaware about this new zoning law. This opens up so much more opportunity than I previously thought possible. Every out-of-state investor should be paying attention to this.

I think you’re right. With significant growth (20,000 per year) across the valley, growth in wages and $15B in investments from the CHIPS act at Micron I am bullish long term.
I'm out on site regularly for that project for my W2 job, there are rumors of it growing in scope too. Some of the NY project happening here instead. A solid 20 years of work on the construction side. 

I think it's a good place to be, man there sure is a lot of multi family inventory coming in the market right now, but I guess it's getting absorbed? 


The tough thing about Boise is that there isn't a huge high dollar labor market. So rents are up but not up as much as property prices and construction costs. It's tough to pencil buying a 550k house that you can rent for $1850. For buy and holds I'm investing out of state.

I have a couple rentals here in Boise and I am subdividing a property near downtown. I think the the value is in the dirt. I think the play would be buying a property that needs some rehab and you can split off a new lot due to new lot sizes and setbacks. Rehab the house while you get lot split approved. A lot of times the house is worth the same as it was before half the land was parceled off. Now you own the new lot outright- you can build yourself or sell it to a builder. Plenty of those options out there right now in my opinion. 

Post: Home Team Vacation Rentals VR Reviews - Has anyone used them?

Josh HavekostPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Boise ID
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Brandon S.:
Do they require you to pay the design fee or is it optional? They sent me the Excel files over and I was made to believe it was optional.
No, it is not optional.

Post: Home Team Vacation Rentals VR Reviews - Has anyone used them?

Josh HavekostPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Boise ID
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 2

I forgot to mention, it's meant to be turnkey so they manage it, and their split is 10% of gross income before all costs and debt service etc. 

But now I feel a little stuck because this experience hasn't been good and I'm stuck in a partnership I'm not comfortable with.

Post: Home Team Vacation Rentals VR Reviews - Has anyone used them?

Josh HavekostPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Boise ID
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 2

The idea was if you have 200k you can get one of the properties like Michael shows on his Instagram and target 20-25% cash on cash returns. The idea is by spending big on amenities, you'll outperform other properties. 

I had about 200k cash to invest, so I got on a call. There was an additional 20k fee for them to source you properties that would fit their model. I was excited to get started so I figured I would try to stretch and make that work. 

They said their design fee was $18/SQ ft. And the budget was 15k/bedroom for furnishings. I recall asking if the 18/SQ ft was part of that 200k investment - the response was "Oh, you'll see all the costs broken out. It's all super transparent. And we'll send you a sample property so you can see the numbers breakdown." 

They sent me a sample property breakdown, but it was a jpeg, not an Excel file. I was excited so I sent them 20k to get started. 

First property comes over and I realize there is a second tab- one has the design fee, one doesn't. This is not an insignificant fee- we are talking $54k on 3000sq ft house. I say woah woah woah- I told you guys I only had 200k, this is putting me at like 270k invested with the 20k finders fee and design fees. No problem, we'll look for smaller, cheaper houses. 

Then all the number breakdowns were based on 10% down payment using 2nd home loans. I spoke with two lenders who they suggested and the lender I normally work with and I could not qualify with my primary home and rentals. So I would have to do 20% down Dscr loan, pushing us again out of the budget. 

At this point, they'd only sent me 3 properties and I realized it might not work so I requested we stop and honestly thought it would be a really reasonable request to return the 20k deposit/finders fee. 

But they're not willing to return it. 

Post: Home Team Vacation Rentals VR Reviews - Has anyone used them?

Josh HavekostPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Boise ID
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 2

I am in the middle of a dispute with them right now. I watched Michael's content for a couple years was eager to get into the turn key program. 

i gave them 20k to get started and then I had to stop the program after a just a couple property options were sent over. I couldn't do a second home loan they were penciling (other rental affecting DTI) and I didn't understand their $18/SQ ft design fee was in ADDITION to the 200k investment we had discussed. I had been really clear about exactly how much money I had up front.

I asked for my 20k back immediately after realizing that because I just didn't have the capital for it right now. I thought that would be a very reasonable request, but a month later they are still not willing to return that deposit. 

Really surprised me, seemed like reasonable people. Unfortunately they're saying my contracts the contract, but I am getting a little concerned that I just lost $20k.