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All Forum Posts by: Joseph Martin

Joseph Martin has started 2 posts and replied 9 times.

Post: How To: Cash out 1-4 unit Property

Joseph MartinPosted
  • Clovis, CA
  • Posts 9
  • Votes 3
Quick question: you say to “file the deed for that loan at the court house.” Do you mean quit claim deed the property to the LLC?

recently we bought a 7-unit for cash and I want to do exactly what your saying. I took title in my personal name, but wanted to quit claim to my LLC.

can I do this you describe here?

thanks!

Originally posted by @Andrew Postell:

3.  HOW TO PROPERLY STRUCTURE BUYING A HOME WITH CASH

With these rules, you can see how it can be confusing to get conventional lending when buying a home with cash but there is absolutely a proper method to structuring your deals when buying cash. Here’s the secret:

  • Create an LLC and have the LLC lend you a mortgage on the property you are receiving.

The reason why this works is because instead of you needing cash or receiving a cash out loan, we are now refinancing a loan – your loan. There no reason to wait any time or have any “whichever is lower” rule come into play. We are just refinancing a loan.

Here’s how it works:

  • You create an LLC
  • You buy a home
  • Your LLC gives you a loan for the home
  • You file the deed for that loan at the county courthouse
  • You use the money from the LLC to buy and fix up the property
  • Once the property is completed, your conventional lender comes to refinance the loan
  • Your conventional lender runs title and sees there is a loan.
  • Your conventional lender refinances you into a new loan, and cuts a check to your LLC…a check in the amount of 75% of the value.

Please don't confuse this 75% with a "cash out" amount. The non-cash out LTV on a refinance is also 75%. We are refinancing a mortgage. Your LLC's mortgage. Essentially your LLC has become the bank/hard money lender/etc. However you want to think about it. You get to set the interest rate (it can be 0%) and you get your investment amount back sooner.

Some things to think of:

  • To file a deed at the county courthouse is $100-$150 in cost (depending on which county)
  • And you want that note to be pretty close to 70% of the ARV for the property if you don't want to bring any money to closing. 70% will allow you to roll in your closing costs. If you want it to be at 75% just keep in mind you would need to bring your closing costs out of your pocket to complete the refinance.

This was a lot of information. Feel free to ask additional questions if you need. Thanks! 

@Michael Plaks sweet, I think this will work. She is happy to contribute

@Basit Siddiqi thank you!

What I am thinking, is having my wife become a real estate professional and for taxes, MFJ and using the losses to offset other income

Does this make sense? Know if anyone does this?

@Ashish Acharya perfect! Thank you sir. I’ll do some research here. Much appreciated

@Michael Plaks ok great! Thank you for eg advice. Very much appreciated

What is meant by “passive activity loss” for a real estate professional? I am currently 37% tax bracket and all passive activity losses are void for me (IRS form 8582).

However, it states that “unless the taxpayer is a real estate professional”, leading me to think one can capture RE losses/passive activity losses when they AGI is in excess of the current limits.

Anyone have experience and advice on this?

@Michael Plaks ok great thank you. I’ll start doing research. My CPA told me I don’t qualify for any passive activity losses and it will all have to be carried over...I’m assuming this is what you mean?

@Daniel Dietz thank you! I will check them out.

Does anyone do cost segregation for SFRs and rental properties? I’m trying to learn how to do this, especially since I’m in the 37% tax bracket. Any advice and direction is greatly appreciated! Thanks!