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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 1 posts and replied 6 times.

Post: Shipping Container Apartments VS Stick Built (Oregon)

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Quote from @Matthew Paul:

Sea container homes sound like a great idea .  But in my travels on the east coast I have NEVER seen any , or heard of any .  

Same with tiny homes  built on trailers . 

So ask yourself  If they are so great , why arent they all over the place ? 

A single wide mobile home has more room than a 40 ft container . 

Matt,
Thanks for the reply. I’ve been seeing people build with these for the last 20 years. I’m not saying there won’t be hurdles, but it’s doable. From short term rentals to full on large scale apartment complexes, people continue to build with them. 

Wenckehof, a student village in Amsterdam made up of 1,000 recycled shipping containers

https://amp.theguardian.com/cities/2015/oct/09/living-steel-box-shipping-containers-future-housing

The Hilda L Solis Care First Village(232 units)

https://www.dezeen.com/2021/07/29/shipping-containers-los-angeles-housing-complex-homeless-nac-architecture-bernards/amp/

Hope on Alvarado (87 units)

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/look-inside-las-new-steel-container-apartments-for-the-homeless/amp/

Post: Shipping Container Apartments VS Stick Built (Oregon)

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Quote from @Matthew Paul:

Sea container homes sound like a great idea .  But in my travels on the east coast I have NEVER seen any , or heard of any .  

Same with tiny homes  built on trailers . 

So ask yourself  If they are so great , why arent they all over the place ? 

A single wide mobile home has more room than a 40 ft container . 


Post: Shipping Container Apartments VS Stick Built (Oregon)

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Quote from @Mike Nuss:

@Account Closed are you planning on doing this in Marion County? My first thought is 250k for that size of a unit + the brain damage just doesn't make sense. I'm not one to throw negatives at an idea...but a larger more widely accepted stick built apartment is 250K/unit for hard costs. Site development is most likely easier and permitting significantly easier. That being said, definitely not as cool as what you want to do. 

@Jay Hinrichs what's your friend's name who did the shipping container project in Oregon City? Did he ever get that thing permitted and built?

@Henry Clark that's some solid stuff man, thanks!


Hi Mike,

Yup he is up and running he has a big show room in Oregon City right off of 205.  Relevant homes is the name of it.. its a labor of love and he can afford it.. most folks simply could not put out millions in cash and wait and hope LOL.. his units are custom and sell for more money than what it would cost to stick build. what you save is time and a lot of his sales are rural were SECURITY is an issue.
These are not your Grandparents storage container homes these are ultra custom . He also did a 8 unit apartment complex in St. Helens where he stacked them.. He told me those will sell for a loss.
I’ve talked to this company, they do amazing custom work. It’s overkill for my needs though. Thanks for taking the time to respond to my post. 

Post: Shipping Container Apartments VS Stick Built (Oregon)

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Quote from @Mike Nuss:

@Account Closed are you planning on doing this in Marion County? My first thought is 250k for that size of a unit + the brain damage just doesn't make sense. I'm not one to throw negatives at an idea...but a larger more widely accepted stick built apartment is 250K/unit for hard costs. Site development is most likely easier and permitting significantly easier. That being said, definitely not as cool as what you want to do. 

@Jay Hinrichs what's your friend's name who did the shipping container project in Oregon City? Did he ever get that thing permitted and built?

@Henry Clark that's some solid stuff man, thanks!

Thanks for the feedback. The plan is to do them in Salem Oregon. I know the exact builder you’re talking about that builds those container homes, I’ve talked with that company and they are amazing units, but way over kill for what I’m looking to do. I’m not reinventing the wheel here, I will find a city that allows these. There are European countries with hundreds of them stacked together for housing as well as a huge developer in LA that uses them for low income housing, just to name a couple. It might not be Salem, but it will be Oregon. Some town will welcome me with open arms haha. I’ll post photos of the actual units and my budget ideas in a new post this evening. 

Post: Shipping Container Apartments VS Stick Built (Oregon)

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Quote from @Henry Clark:

We do self storage units and also 20 foot cargo containers.  

Process for permitting will be very similar. 
1.  Get your cargo container company builder to provide engineering stamp drawings.   If they won’t give you engineering stamped drawings don’t do the project.  To include footings.  Find out if they will insulate the floor from underneath or inside.  This will dictate your footings.  Frost free or not.  Our zoning requires all human occupied buildings to be frost free footings.  Costs a lot more.  



2.  Get your local engineering firm to provide engineering stamped layout drawings with utilities.

3.  Run these thru the permitting board. 

4.  Design.  As mentioned above firewalls, addl fire exit say 2x2 window.      

5.  Insulation outside or inside.  Preferably outside. More space inside and less heat or cold transfer through the metal.    

6.  Even if you’re using 1 trip units recommend you put a slanted roof.  

7.  Your $250,000 probably does not include utilities and hookups.  Or footings, sidewalks and parking, excavation, permits.

8.  Parking.  Most parking is 9 foot versus 8 foot cargo container.  Check with permitting.  Also check to what degree you have to hit ADA door widths and parking spots.   

  9.  Fascia.  Can’t tell from drawings.  Zoning and permitting will require fascia.  Your cargo unit engineers should include in their stamped plans.  
  
10.  You might also check with any section 8 housing requirements.   

For one of our storage office sites we were able to build a 30x40 structure for $60,000 out of metal.  This included spray foam, concrete floor and metal sheet walls inside.  No other costs.  Just as another option.  

Keep us updated.  Sounds like all projects. Cost versus revenue.  


Henry you’re the man! 

thank you so much for all the great info. As for #7 on your list the $250k is just the price of the completed 20’ studios, hard wired and plumbed, move in ready. (They will have windows also) The land I’m looking at is going for $120k and I’m hoping that developing the already level lot(has power next door), permits, etc will not exceed $100k. As for #10 on your list I am already communicating with the local housing authority to see if going that route might help me financially(grants) or logistically(less red tape) I’ll reach out to you privately soon. Thanks for the info. 

Post: Shipping Container Apartments VS Stick Built (Oregon)

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I have been obsessed with shipping containers homes and apartments for the last 15 years. I am now in the position to build my first small apartment complex and I want to use prefab shipping container studios to do so. Each unit is made from a 20' shipping container and consists of a full bathroom, kitchenette, mini split, and vinyl flooring. These units are "plug and play" essentially and hook right up to your plumbing and electrical onsite. The total cost for 10 of these units is around $250K, but I am working on getting a bulk discount from the company that builds them. Each unit is just shy of 160 sqft. 

What are the chances that a builder would be able to build a 1,600sqft building consisting of 10 studio apartments for that same price? I own a couple of homes, but this will be my first big kid project. I have a ton to learn and I am open to suggestions. I would think that land development, rough grading, wet utilities, dry utilities etc should all be comparable either way I build so in my mind it comes down to permits possibly being a lot higher with the prefab units???? 

Looking to network and build a team, I have already met a great lender from my first post who is extremely knowledgeable. If you're a Project Manager, General Contractor, Architect, Land Developer etc I would love to chat.

I will attach a rough drawing I did using SketchUp. This shows the units broken up into two seperate 5-plex units just as an example.