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All Forum Posts by: Jory Van Antwerp

Jory Van Antwerp has started 1 posts and replied 2 times.

Ian,

Thank you for the reply.  My primary goal for the last many years has been to get out of Montana.  I was born and raised in Manhattan (outside of Bozeman).  I've lived many places but somehow I always come back to Montana, its a curse ;).  So no, I do not want to stay in Montana...however;

I have a family of 5 and an 'attached' mother-in-law to consider, so for right now I am here.  I do not see a way to be able to move while also investing in property *and* not throwing away potential on rent or a mortgage of my own.  Right now we pay no mortgage or rent so while I want badly to relocate, I feel that I need to extract the potential from my current situation over the course of 5 ish years, but the faster the better.  

While a VRBO sounds nice, and very profitable for part of the year, I do not know if I'm ready to take that risk.  I know tourism is pretty hit and miss in montana - fires, intense snow or cold, summers that never come (last year), are unpredictable and I assume have a pretty drastic effect on the bottom line of a VRBO property.  Also, I'm guessing that for most locations, VRBO's do not do great in the winter unless they're located near skii or hunting grounds.  It seems the risk, and learning curve, is greater for these properties in this area.  I believe it is wiser to keep it simple (which is still complicated for a new guy) for the first few years.

Thank you for mentioning how properties perform in different areas of Montana, I found that useful.  I also appreciate that you mentioned the level of purchasing I could do.  I am a little surprised to learn that I may be able to afford a row of town-homes or a 4-plex with the amount of equity I am working with.  That opened my eyes a lot.  I need to do some reading, but it SEEMS that a 4plex would offer the greatest cost/profit ratio for both maintenance and purchasing than 4 single family homes or townhomes/condos.  I do wonder how they appreciate compared to single family, and if I could pull my investment back out after medium/light renovation, so I will look into that strategy.  At the end of the day, I want to buy as much as I can but I need to be smart, strategic and disciplined about it - I won't have another chance after this.

I believe I would like to stay between bozeman and helena with my investments because I know the area, but I would sure enter missoula if I found the right value.  I have a friend in Bozeman who is experienced in property management if I *absolutely* need to pull her into the loop for that area.  It just comes down to where I can find property that falls into my budget and repair timeline, and meets the standards required to be a good rental investment.

I've actually been seriously considering getting my real estate licence for the reason most people do, but also for many other reasons.  I'd love to talk to you about your experience in real estate and maybe touch base about a few other topics also.  

Thanks!  

Jory

I have known about flipping property for years, my uncle did it after he retired from banking and made good profit, but I never had any money to do it myself.  Recently, I realized we have what can be considered an untapped credit line in our home in the form of equity.  My father in law paid off the house before he passed, so we have an asset worth about 220k that we can use to enter real estate investing. 

About me:  I've always rejected working for someone else all day everyday, most of my life I have flat out refused to do it. I've always felt that I am being used and laughed at - what I'm getting in return for my time is a joke, even if full benefits and a 401k are part of the give.  Because of this, I've started many small businesses, most successful, but I never grew them beyond just paying the bills because I didn't (and still don't really) understand how money works.  I've also been homeless because I've refused to be part of this system.  I always thought it was better to be completely free with nothing than handcuffed to bad debt to keep up with the Jones', so to speak.

But i'm older now, with kids that I'm responsible for - so i need to find another way to build that freedom into my life.  I don't mind being used to make someone else wealthy if it is leading to my WHY.  Even better, I took a job with a school system because then I'm able to help kids on multiple levels while feeling useful instead of used.  Now I'm looking to tap into some of that 220k of pure equity in our home to buy investment property and create an income stream from renting, and slower wealth growth via equity.

I have the idea and I have the means for once in my life - so I am here too learn how to go from point A to point B - which is all im focused on right now.  I'm reading a lot of books, listening to a lot of individuals who have done this, talking to local professionals and trying to work it all out.  It's a challenge for me because I very much dislike where I live - it's a small town in Montana isolated by 90 miles of mostly nothing to the next town, which is isolated by at least 90 more miles of next to nothing.  Property is pretty expensive here, there isn't much that RETAILS under 200k other than mobile homes, including smaller single family homes built in early 1900's.  In a town of 40k, there arent many resources here for networking either - so that,s a little frustrating, but it just requires more effort.  

Ideally, I'd like to relocate to a good rental market because buying investment property hundreds of miles from where I live seems a little uncomfortable to me as a new investor.  Our economy here is stable - very, very stable - which also means the economy isn't growing fast because it is the state capitol dominated by state jobs.  This is probably a good place to get into rental properties because there is a housing shortage and a growing population. However, the average age is 41 years old in this town - the population growth isn't from young professionals, they're all leaving - it's from retiree aged people and families who want a smaller, slower paced place to live.  This causes me to wonder if renting is the best option here long term, but that's why I'm on this forum.  I hope to get this and other questions answered through reading and talking to others.

For now my biggest challenging is finding a property within my budget to force equity into, refinance to pay myself back and rent.  I'm more focused on monthly profit right now than pulling profit from the forced equity, for now.  

Any input is welcome.  Thanks for reading this gigantic first post and I'll see you around the forums as I search for the best strategies to use the equity in my primary home.