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All Forum Posts by: Jordan Zoucha

Jordan Zoucha has started 1 posts and replied 3 times.

Quote from @Juan Erick Rico Avalos:
Quote from @Jordan Zoucha:

Hello. Looking at purchasing my first secondary property. Would plan to keep my current primary residence and turn it into a rental. Not sure if its a good idea. Could you experts take a look and give your thoughts?



MY QUESTIONS / CONCERNS:


-ULTIMATE QUESTION: should I go for it? Please answer with a yes, no, or depends, and then explain.

-would it be best to wait off until say next year when I am able to put down more money?
-I am thinking in the shorter term - how should I be factoring in marriage in 2-3 yrs, having lots of kids in next 20-30 years, and wanting a stay-at-home wife / stay-at-home kids?
-would it be wiser, from that perspective, to aggressively rent my current place (filling bunk beds), pay down my mortgage faster OR finish the basement with an extra bedroom to increase value / make it more marketable for more roommates?

THE DATA

GENERAL SITUATION

-Money I have to play with for down payment or other invesments/future saving is 40k. That does NOT include my emergency fund

-make about $5500 / mo with main hustle after tax 

-currently investing about 20% of that in ROTH (so take home is about $4000-$4400)

-current discretionary + need expenses not including $1,100 mortgage = about $3000 / mo

-I am well known in the town and have lots of good connections, especially with college students through the local Catholic Churches. If I work hard, it is not hard for me to find at least 1-3 renters at any one time

-I am located in Lincoln, NE

-in my late 20s

-only debt is current mortgage around $100k and some minimal student loans, all at about 4%

MY GOALS:

-to get into real estate

-to get married in next 2-3 years, God-willing

-long term: to being open to as many kids as possible. I want a large family.

-to contribute 15%-20% to ROTH INVESTMENTS

-have a stay-at-home wife and homeschool most of the kids

      -supporting a stay at home wife and kids have made me thought about a career change away from tech to say, optometry. This would of course require me to go to school, and be in more debt

-get a small acreage (<2 acres) eventually

CURRENT HOUSE

-bought a little over a year ago at 4%. I will keep this current mortgage; the terms only require that I be in it for one year.

-bought at 167k. Likely is worth about 175k-200k in current market

-2 bed, 1 bath

-mortgage + escrow = $1100 / mo

-have one dedicated tenant/roommate who has been with me for a year and will stay with me. He pays $400-425 / mo

-I have had secondary tenants for an average of about 4 months. Whenever they move in, rent for present tenant and secondary tenant is $400

-in a decent part of town

-could finish basement for 20-30k, get an extra bedroom in there, making it easier to rent to secondary tenants more consistently rather than using the bunk bed they use now

NEW DEAL I FOUND

-bought for 160k in 2020

-being sold off market (FSBO)

-good area of town (I would say even better than where I am at)

-seller is thinking somewhere in the 185k range. Haven't made an offer yet

-I could, if I could it for say 180k, 15 yr mortgage would be about $1,500 / mo, 30 yr $1,200 / mo at 7.5%

     -the only way I could do this is by putting 40k down

-my current roommate would move with me. I would raise his rent to $500

-has a garage

-biggest disadvantage for perceived value for me is the smaller kitchen

THEORETICAL RENTERS INFO

-two friends of mine who are getting married are very interested in renting my current property if I get a new property. We talked through the theoretical possibility and verbally agreed to the following policies

-the groom is cool with moving in as early as January 2024 to secure his spot 6 months before their wedding in May.

    -groom would pay reduced rate of $625 until his bride moves in, then they would pay $1,200 / mo

           -so in theory, after they both move in, I will cashflow $100 / mo on that property alone (mortgage is $1100). That is before factoring improvements / necessary repairs and the fact I would cover utilities.

           -I know this couple to be solid, upstanding folks who keep their word and take good care of their living quarters and are prudent financially. I have a good idea of their financial situation too. So I would definitely have them for a year.

-they would be under lease from whenever groom moves in until 1 year after their wedding

PROPOSED STRATEGY:

-get new house, move in with current roommate. He pays $500 / mo

-groom moves into my old house, pays me $625 / mo

-once his bride moves in come May, they pay $1,200

-at that point, my budget until next June will look like $4200 TAKE HOME PAY - $3000 LIFE EXPENSES - $1100 MORTGAGE 1 - $1500 MORTGAGE 2 - $300 MORTGAGE 2 UTILITIES + $150 MORTGAGE 2 REPAIRS, ETC + $625 RENT FROM GROOM + $500 RENT FROM ROOMATE IN MORTGAGE 1 = $-725

-HOWEVER, I would plan to, for the first two quarters of next year, half my ROTH contributions down to 10%. This would up me about $800 / mo. 

      $-725 + 800 = UP $25 FOR THE FIRST 6 MONTHS

ONCE JUNE HITS, and couple starts paying me $1200 / mo

      $25 + $600 = UP $625 / MO ONCE JUNE OF 2024 HITS

            -after that, I would start contributing to my ROTH about 15%-20% again

ADVANTAGES I SEE

-new 3 bedder residence is easier to get another roommate in (you don't have to use a bunk bed). If this happens, I am only paying $200-$500 on the new property, with the rent income on old property going towards said old property's mortgage. I am building equity for cheap.

-if I break the zoning laws where I live (which is no more than 3 unrelated ppl living together at a time), new property could easily house up to four or five of us including bunks, which would cash flow $300-$800 / mo. Everyone really breaks the zoning laws in this area - the police don't really care - they are mostly antiquated. I have to search my own conscience there though

-if something goes wrong and no one is renting from me, I can theoretically stop contributing partially or fully to ROTH every month and just about afford both properties myself. I of course definitely want to be contributing to some paper investments for diversification

Overall, after factoring in my base income sans expenses sans ROTH contributions plus rent income, owning both properties would have the potential to get me up $1,500 additional cash / mo best case scenerio (all units always full), or lose -$1700 / mo worst case


Currently, with my current property,

after factoring in my base income sans expenses sans ROTH contributions plus rent income, I am cash flowing up to $1200 / mo best case case (bunk in other room full), losing $0 / mo worst case



AGAIN, MY QUESTIONS / CONCERNS:

-would it be best to wait off until say next year when I am able to put down more money?
-I am thinking in the shorter term - how should I be factoring in marriage in 2-3 yrs, having lots of kids in next 20-30 years, and wanting a stay-at-home wife / stay-at-home kids?
-would it be wiser, from that perspective, to aggressively rent my current place (filling bunk beds), pay down my mortgage faster OR finish the basement with an extra bedroom to increase value / make it more marketable for more roommates?

Ultimately, I think it is worth going for it, because I am not even dating someone yet, I am confident I can get renters, I plan to hold the properties or trade up within next 5 - 10 years, and when I get married, I would have flexibility and diversification in that we would have two homes to choose from, and could rent out the other one.

 @Jordan Zoucha Great problem to have, I think your just over thinking things. I don't think you should waite either. If the deal makes since now at 7.5% it will make since when rates are lower in the future. I am also n Lincoln, Ne just bought a 4 plex as my second house hack. I suggest you look into a program called NIFA Welcome Home that has down payment assistance. This can be used for up to 10k down on a owner occupied property at a 1% interest rate amortized out 10 years soooo free money. This can also be used for a second home you don't have to be a first time home buyer. If you play your cards right, I think you can get into another property and remodel the basement on your current home to get more cashflow out of it. There are loan programs with only 5- 10% down conventional on 1-4 units. Talk to a experienced loan officer, he or she will best guild you on the different paths you can take.  Your welcome to Pm me and we can get in contact to discuss this further best of luck Jordan. 


 Please PM me! Is there a catch to this NIFA stuff? What advantage is in it for them, and where do they get the funds to take lending risks like that on their end?

Quote from @Andrew Postell:

@Jordan Zoucha I usually don't like to suggest to wait.  If you have the required minimum down and closing costs...and are comfortable with the mortgage payment...then ty to execute now.  Sometimes people will say "I don't like the economy" - and that's fine.  What that translates to in business speak is OFFER LESS.  I'll feel alot better getting a property for a good price.  Or, maybe the seller will be willing to pay for some/all of my closing costs.  If the market is slower, that means you should be the only buyer.  If you are the only buyer around then sellers will be offering incentives to YOU to choose their property.  And that's what we are seeing in the market.  Just about all properties right now have some time of seller concession or price reduction to help people make a decision.  Now, this might change in a couple of months. Waiting might have you miss something pretty cool right now.  Just play the market to your advantage.  Using your current primary home for your first rental is a great strategy.  Lots of people got started that way.

Hope all of that makes sense.

Thank you. My only question is, given the kind of lifestyle I would like to live with a future wife, kids, etc, staying at home, should I even be looking into real estate? Or is it safer to play it the Dave Ramsey way, and not invest until I have my current paid off and can buy a new property out of pocket?

Put another way, with the goals I stated in mind, how will an investment like this actually help me?

Hello. Looking at purchasing my first secondary property. Would plan to keep my current primary residence and turn it into a rental. Not sure if its a good idea. Could you experts take a look and give your thoughts?



MY QUESTIONS / CONCERNS:


-ULTIMATE QUESTION: should I go for it? Please answer with a yes, no, or depends, and then explain.

-would it be best to wait off until say next year when I am able to put down more money?
-I am thinking in the shorter term - how should I be factoring in marriage in 2-3 yrs, having lots of kids in next 20-30 years, and wanting a stay-at-home wife / stay-at-home kids?
-would it be wiser, from that perspective, to aggressively rent my current place (filling bunk beds), pay down my mortgage faster OR finish the basement with an extra bedroom to increase value / make it more marketable for more roommates?

THE DATA

GENERAL SITUATION

-Money I have to play with for down payment or other invesments/future saving is 40k. That does NOT include my emergency fund

-make about $5500 / mo with main hustle after tax 

-currently investing about 20% of that in ROTH (so take home is about $4000-$4400)

-current discretionary + need expenses not including $1,100 mortgage = about $3000 / mo

-I am well known in the town and have lots of good connections, especially with college students through the local Catholic Churches. If I work hard, it is not hard for me to find at least 1-3 renters at any one time

-I am located in Lincoln, NE

-in my late 20s

-only debt is current mortgage around $100k and some minimal student loans, all at about 4%

MY GOALS:

-to get into real estate

-to get married in next 2-3 years, God-willing

-long term: to being open to as many kids as possible. I want a large family.

-to contribute 15%-20% to ROTH INVESTMENTS

-have a stay-at-home wife and homeschool most of the kids

      -supporting a stay at home wife and kids have made me thought about a career change away from tech to say, optometry. This would of course require me to go to school, and be in more debt

-get a small acreage (<2 acres) eventually

CURRENT HOUSE

-bought a little over a year ago at 4%. I will keep this current mortgage; the terms only require that I be in it for one year.

-bought at 167k. Likely is worth about 175k-200k in current market

-2 bed, 1 bath

-mortgage + escrow = $1100 / mo

-have one dedicated tenant/roommate who has been with me for a year and will stay with me. He pays $400-425 / mo

-I have had secondary tenants for an average of about 4 months. Whenever they move in, rent for present tenant and secondary tenant is $400

-in a decent part of town

-could finish basement for 20-30k, get an extra bedroom in there, making it easier to rent to secondary tenants more consistently rather than using the bunk bed they use now

NEW DEAL I FOUND

-bought for 160k in 2020

-being sold off market (FSBO)

-good area of town (I would say even better than where I am at)

-seller is thinking somewhere in the 185k range. Haven't made an offer yet

-I could, if I could it for say 180k, 15 yr mortgage would be about $1,500 / mo, 30 yr $1,200 / mo at 7.5%

     -the only way I could do this is by putting 40k down

-my current roommate would move with me. I would raise his rent to $500

-has a garage

-biggest disadvantage for perceived value for me is the smaller kitchen

THEORETICAL RENTERS INFO

-two friends of mine who are getting married are very interested in renting my current property if I get a new property. We talked through the theoretical possibility and verbally agreed to the following policies

-the groom is cool with moving in as early as January 2024 to secure his spot 6 months before their wedding in May.

    -groom would pay reduced rate of $625 until his bride moves in, then they would pay $1,200 / mo

           -so in theory, after they both move in, I will cashflow $100 / mo on that property alone (mortgage is $1100). That is before factoring improvements / necessary repairs and the fact I would cover utilities.

           -I know this couple to be solid, upstanding folks who keep their word and take good care of their living quarters and are prudent financially. I have a good idea of their financial situation too. So I would definitely have them for a year.

-they would be under lease from whenever groom moves in until 1 year after their wedding

PROPOSED STRATEGY:

-get new house, move in with current roommate. He pays $500 / mo

-groom moves into my old house, pays me $625 / mo

-once his bride moves in come May, they pay $1,200

-at that point, my budget until next June will look like $4200 TAKE HOME PAY - $3000 LIFE EXPENSES - $1100 MORTGAGE 1 - $1500 MORTGAGE 2 - $300 MORTGAGE 2 UTILITIES + $150 MORTGAGE 2 REPAIRS, ETC + $625 RENT FROM GROOM + $500 RENT FROM ROOMATE IN MORTGAGE 1 = $-725

-HOWEVER, I would plan to, for the first two quarters of next year, half my ROTH contributions down to 10%. This would up me about $800 / mo. 

      $-725 + 800 = UP $25 FOR THE FIRST 6 MONTHS

ONCE JUNE HITS, and couple starts paying me $1200 / mo

      $25 + $600 = UP $625 / MO ONCE JUNE OF 2024 HITS

            -after that, I would start contributing to my ROTH about 15%-20% again

ADVANTAGES I SEE

-new 3 bedder residence is easier to get another roommate in (you don't have to use a bunk bed). If this happens, I am only paying $200-$500 on the new property, with the rent income on old property going towards said old property's mortgage. I am building equity for cheap.

-if I break the zoning laws where I live (which is no more than 3 unrelated ppl living together at a time), new property could easily house up to four or five of us including bunks, which would cash flow $300-$800 / mo. Everyone really breaks the zoning laws in this area - the police don't really care - they are mostly antiquated. I have to search my own conscience there though

-if something goes wrong and no one is renting from me, I can theoretically stop contributing partially or fully to ROTH every month and just about afford both properties myself. I of course definitely want to be contributing to some paper investments for diversification

Overall, after factoring in my base income sans expenses sans ROTH contributions plus rent income, owning both properties would have the potential to get me up $1,500 additional cash / mo best case scenerio (all units always full), or lose -$1700 / mo worst case


Currently, with my current property,

after factoring in my base income sans expenses sans ROTH contributions plus rent income, I am cash flowing up to $1200 / mo best case case (bunk in other room full), losing $0 / mo worst case



AGAIN, MY QUESTIONS / CONCERNS:

-would it be best to wait off until say next year when I am able to put down more money?
-I am thinking in the shorter term - how should I be factoring in marriage in 2-3 yrs, having lots of kids in next 20-30 years, and wanting a stay-at-home wife / stay-at-home kids?
-would it be wiser, from that perspective, to aggressively rent my current place (filling bunk beds), pay down my mortgage faster OR finish the basement with an extra bedroom to increase value / make it more marketable for more roommates?

Ultimately, I think it is worth going for it, because I am not even dating someone yet, I am confident I can get renters, I plan to hold the properties or trade up within next 5 - 10 years, and when I get married, I would have flexibility and diversification in that we would have two homes to choose from, and could rent out the other one.