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All Forum Posts by: Jordan M.

Jordan M. has started 14 posts and replied 32 times.

Hey Everyone! 

I currently manage all of my rentals, and have always entertained the idea of starting my own property management company. Through my rentals, I have already established a pretty good construction team, and I have decided to really dig down and start my own business. I would love to potentially set up a phone/zoom call with people from BP who have their own business and take away any advice you would be willing to give! 

Thank you very much in advance!

Post: Thoughts on this deal?

Jordan M.Posted
  • Kansas
  • Posts 33
  • Votes 12

Hey everyone! Just wanted to gauge some thoughts on a deal I have in my state. 

46 units 24-2 bedroom 22- 1 bedroom 

2buildings, each have a shared laundry room

PP-$1.8 mill

Rehab- $1-1.2 mill (confirming numbers this week)

Gross rent -$450k/year conservatively 

Operating expenses-$150k conservatively 

It’s in a great location, on a river that will be getting developed in the next 3-4 years so it could appreciate very well. My proforma has it at almost a 10 cap. Thoughts on this deal? When would this deal not be worth it anymore?

Post: CoC return on a STR?

Jordan M.Posted
  • Kansas
  • Posts 33
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Jefferson Brown:

Hey @Jordan M., as has been mentioned it totally depends on how much you put in but we have a ratio we use to determine if a property is a good investment and Id be happy to share that with you (its similar to the 2% rule but modified for STRs).  Feel free to message me directly.

 Messaged you!

Post: CoC return on a STR?

Jordan M.Posted
  • Kansas
  • Posts 33
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Mike Shulman:

Are you planning to finance and if so what would your terms be like. Hard to calculate cash on cash return if I don't know if you're purchasing all cash or financing.

All cash.

Post: CoC return on a STR?

Jordan M.Posted
  • Kansas
  • Posts 33
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @John Underwood:

This same question has been asked many times on here already.

You’re right, I’ll do more research before I post. In all fairness I’m sure everything has been asked multiple times! 

Post: CoC return on a STR?

Jordan M.Posted
  • Kansas
  • Posts 33
  • Votes 12

Hey everyone! I'm going for my first STR, and was curious to what kind of CoC return you like to see with your property? What is the minimum return you would like to see before you move forward?

Post: How has your experience been flipping houses?

Jordan M.Posted
  • Kansas
  • Posts 33
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Lets see your numbers including the total price you paid, rehab  costs, holding costs for insurance, property taxes, utilities, unexpected cost budget, time from purchase to closing sale date, expected sale price, selling commissions and costs. Then, maybe, you can get some sound advice before the water gets boiling hot!!!

I’m sorry, maybe you misinterpreted the post. I was asking people who have flipped houses how their experience has been, if they are still flipping houses, and any advice for someone starting out! 

Post: How has your experience been flipping houses?

Jordan M.Posted
  • Kansas
  • Posts 33
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @David Avery:

Hi Jordan.

If you read my Bio, well I have done a few.  Over 2600 mostly as a contractor and about 10% as an investor/contractor.

It has been a great living and I love my work.  I have seen the world, raised my own kids, and still 

wake up to do another.  I have worked with wholesalers, Real Estate agents, and have bought a few on auction.

I could go on and on about the success of flipping, but to answer your two major questions.

Your first of second is all in how you buy it and your contractor.  This two issues will determine the extra

profits.  Your Real Estate agent is key to buying great deals. Wholesalers if you can handle their integrity!

Biggest challenge is your other investors driving up the price of properties.  If you can find a city or area that

their are great deals and a pretty good economy and don't have 200 people trying to do the same,  then your in a good area!

That is a great achievement! Congratulations on all your success! Do you mind if I shoot you a quick message? 

Post: How has your experience been flipping houses?

Jordan M.Posted
  • Kansas
  • Posts 33
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Kelly Watkins:

Congrats on your first flip! I finally pulled the trigger on my first in Jan and this week closed on my 4th! I don't have any plans to hold for awhile as right now I am enjoying this process & with houses selling so quickly & above asking I feel it counters the tax consequence a bit. I see your wife is a Realtor so that will help w/ finding deals, knowing your comps & hopefully her company has an investor friendly commission plan. To answer a few of your questions; I know the biggest challenge (aside from finding the deals in this bizarre market!) is hiring good contractors that are available to start asap. I asked for referrals from other Realtors and investors and then got bids from 3 plumbers, electricians, hvac etc on my first flip which help me put together a team I am still using. By quickly buying 3 more homes I have been able to keep them busy & in return they are are putting my jobs first & willing to come look at properties before I bid on auctions or make an offer. Available appliances are limited so don't wait until the last minute on those.

Hello Kelly, thank you for your response!! 4 flips since January?! You are rocking it out, congrats! Yeah I am very fortunate that my wife is a realtor, I will have her check about the investor friendly commission plans! Also, I am pretty lucky that I have a really good family friend who has been a contractor for 20+ years! I’ve been to their jobs and seen how they operate and I feel like they would be perfect for my team! 

I do have a couple of questions if you don't mind! How are you scaling so quickly? Just locking one deal down and immediately finding another? Also how are you financing your flips if you don't mind? For my first couple I will be using HML.


thank you again!

Post: How has your experience been flipping houses?

Jordan M.Posted
  • Kansas
  • Posts 33
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Jared Viernes:

@Jordan McNelly

Heck ya man. Get a portfolio lender (fidelity bank does it if it's large enough) then refinance some or all of your portfolio along with the commercial property purchase.

Flipping is a job man. In my opinion you give way to much away to the government when you go that way. Cash flow is king, but equity is where you build real wealth. The more properties you have in your portfolio the stronger it becomes and the faster the equity builds. If you fix and flip you lose equity appreciation over time and the government takes a big chunk of your cash. If you use debt the government will let you deduct not only the interest payments but depreciation that is earned mostly by the bank giving you the loan but you claim it all. If I can hold on to a property I will. Every single time. ROE is so much more profitable than ROI.

Every person has their own strategy, but I've always felt buy and hold and keeping a manageable amount of leverage across your portfolio.

Let me put it this way. I underwrite a lot of loans for CRE. I have seen people earn millions in cash flow and pay $0 in taxes because they are always buying new properties and keeping a manageable amount of leverage across their portfolio. You do fix and flips you aren't going to get that. You are going to pay like it's W2 income. The government definitely wins in this strategy. The laws benefit long term buy and hold real estate investors. Particularly those that use leverage. Banks win, you win, and the government gets little to nothing.

Jared, that makes perfect sense! Would you mind if I sent you a question privately?