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All Forum Posts by: Jordan Foster

Jordan Foster has started 2 posts and replied 11 times.

Post: 401k loans in California

Jordan FosterPosted
  • San Luis Obispo, CA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 7

I am a young working professional with a W-2. I am saving for my first investment and want some advice on how to most effectively build capital for investing.  

Would it be more effective to…

A. Have minimal contributions to 401k, suffer the higher income taxes of California, and build available cash

B. Max out 401k contributions to minimize taxable income, then take loan out against 401k

I tried to research the topic but haven’t been able to find much. I’m assuming a lot of people with W-2s have faced similar questions, so I appreciate any insight!

Post: Deciding between Out of State Investing or a House Hack?

Jordan FosterPosted
  • San Luis Obispo, CA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 7

@Daniel Toshev Thanks Daniel.  Have you pulled any equity from your house hack, or have you only bought OOS rentals with additional saved income?  I am just wondering if you are leveraging your house hack in any other way than saving on rent, which is still huge.  Thanks and feel free to DM if you'f like to talk more!

Post: Deciding between Out of State Investing or a House Hack?

Jordan FosterPosted
  • San Luis Obispo, CA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 7

@James Wise That does seem like the most simplified and straight forward way to look at it.  Especially as a first time investor.  Getting hands on and real life experience would be very valuable.

Post: Deciding between Out of State Investing or a House Hack?

Jordan FosterPosted
  • San Luis Obispo, CA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 7
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

I am prejudiced on this because I have already made the move, but I'd go OOS with the intent to move eventually. We saw what states like Cali will do when faced with situations like Covid, and they are very tenant friendly in general. I wouldn't start a business in a place that was hostile towards me (being a landlord that is)

Just my .02...


 Hi Bruce,

That is a great point.  It could be a disaster to get 700k deep on a house just to not be able to rent it out and be stuck.  If you don't mind me asking, where were you living when you decided to invest out of state?  Do you have any resources you'd recommend in order to educate myself on investing out of state?  Thanks for any insight you can provide!

Post: Deciding between Out of State Investing or a House Hack?

Jordan FosterPosted
  • San Luis Obispo, CA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 7
Quote from @Jason R. Besanceney:

Hi Jordan, the price point here on the central coast is a significant obstacle for many buyers but nothing that hasn't been overcome by someone else before. Consider bringing on a partner for your first deal. They could get a different skill set or knowledge base for your operation and business. Also, the house hack will be one of your best bets in a market like this, 25% down can be 250k which is crazy but means there is a strong desire to own here in this market. I just like you am looking to get my first deal so these are recommendations I have heard from listening to others and trying to grow my network. Reach out to me and maybe we can grab a meal and grow each other's knowledge, best of luck to you brother!


 Hi Jason,

I think partners are a great idea, both to help with affordability as well as growing the knowledge base.  For people like us, it seems like investing locally is most likely going to be a house hack.

It would be great to meet up and share some ideas on how to get into this competitive market.

Post: Deciding between Out of State Investing or a House Hack?

Jordan FosterPosted
  • San Luis Obispo, CA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 7
Quote from @Janelle K. Eagle:

Hey Jordy! Love to see your activity on the forums. 

Based on our conversation, my advice is to continue to save and then invest locally. Unless you plan to move in the near future, the biggest gift you can give yourself as a Cali resident is to OWN rather than RENT - especially if you can get the mortgage paid by other folks. The appreciation value is palpable, and the saved out of pocket expenses are a radical opportunity to put your savings into future properties. 

I personally suggest you prioritize house hacking and once you have it rented out and can get a sense of your monthly cash flow and potential savings, I would pool those funds into a down payment on a new property... and then another... and another. You could even consider HELOC'ing your California property once you have it to help you afford more out of state.

Always happy to hop on the phone if you want to talk through any of these strategies and LOVE the support the BP community is giving you as you consider your options!!


 Hi Janelle,

Thank you for the insight!  I totally hear what you are saying as far as getting that rent expense eliminated!  

I would love to hop on the phone again soon and expand on some of these ideas, especially what my investing future would looklike if I am able to secure my first house hack.  

I am still hoping to come see your new triplex soon!

Post: Deciding between Out of State Investing or a House Hack?

Jordan FosterPosted
  • San Luis Obispo, CA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 7
Quote from @Lane Kawaoka:

@Jordan Foster

I started with turnkey remote rentals in 2009-2015 while working my engineering W2 job when I was non accredited. Then went into syndications once my net worth went over 500k.

The problem with the CA properties is that they will not cashflow and will be entirely an appreciation play.

Hi Lane,
It sounds like we have fairly similar paths.  I currently have a technical w-2 as well working as a pacemaker rep.  I agree that it is tough to cashflow California markets.  Although cashflow is my end goal, I am not sure if equity or cashflow should me my focus right now.  I am leaning toward equity just to get momentum and skin in the game.  

What was your mindset when you decided to go turnkey?  I imagine the focus was mostly on equity and convenience since you still worked as an engineer.  Did you find it to be effective for your situation?

Thank you for your insight!

Post: Deciding between Out of State Investing or a House Hack?

Jordan FosterPosted
  • San Luis Obispo, CA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 7
Quote from @Ruchit Patel:

Only two things need to be checked mostly:

If you can afford the house in your area and if after a year, rent can cover the mortgage, house hack will make you more net worth over time.

Someone like me, living in the bay area of California, neither can afford a house near my job, nor rent can cover a mortgage. So, by paying rent, but at the same time, investing savings out of state in a good neighborhood, will give me a higher net worth over time.

( small secret benefit of out-of-state investment no one talks about is; that you leave all headaches on your property manager, your realtor, your advisor, etc. I like passive income, so works for me )

Got it? Let me know if you want to talk to the team that helped me.

--Ruchit

Hi Ruchit I would love to talk more to you or the team that helped you.  From what I've seen, my market is pretty similar to the bay area, but maybe not quite as steep.  I have a couple questions for you if you don't mind.  First, do you have any favorite resources that you used for learning about investing in out of state markets?  Secondly, how will my ability to get a future loan be affected if the first loan I take out is for ~700k?  Will I still be able to get more loans down the road or will my d/i ratio be too high?

Thank you and hope to talk soon!

Post: Deciding between Out of State Investing or a House Hack?

Jordan FosterPosted
  • San Luis Obispo, CA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 7
Quote from @Caleb Brown:

I would say house hack. Main reason is the appreciation bonus with that area. Long term wise it'd be a great investment that you can use to hold for 5-10 years or 1031 after a couple. In time if you held it you could tap into equity and use that for more deals. After you get a house hack you could look into buying an OOS property and start building a portfolio. 


 I like that mindset Caleb.  I think eliminating my rent expense is top of the list (~12k/yr) because it will open up everything else, from more savings from my w-2, to lots of equity in the house hack.  My concern about that is my debt/income ratio.  If I get a 700k loan for my first property, how will this look to lenders when I go in to talk about an out of state deal?  Thanks for any insight you can provide!

Post: Deciding between Out of State Investing or a House Hack?

Jordan FosterPosted
  • San Luis Obispo, CA
  • Posts 11
  • Votes 7
Quote from @Taylor L.:

Be sure to consider your life situation as well. Do you think it's likely you'll want to relocate to another area/state within the near future? Out of state investing is better to set you up for that.


 Thanks for the perspective Taylor.  I do plan to relocate eventually to a place that is more affordable.  However, I will be staying here for at least a few years, as I recently began a new position that is a great start for my career.  So considering to 2-3 year minimum that i will be here, it seems like a huge opportunity to grow some equity in the market, even though this area is more difficult to cash flow.  But out of state investing seems like a great skill to develop regardless because of how much opportunity it opens up, as well as freedom for the investor.  I am going to pick up the Bigger Pockets Long-Distance Real estate investing book to learn more about it as well.