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All Forum Posts by: Jon Taylor

Jon Taylor has started 1 posts and replied 115 times.

Post: 1031 exchange within an existing SDIRA

Jon TaylorPosted
  • Pasadena, CA
  • Posts 116
  • Votes 120

How did the unaccredited investor access the 506(b) syndication initially? Was it inherited?

If you own real estate in a self-directed qualified account, the 1031 exchange is unnecessary. There is not a taxable event to you on the sale.

Not good. 

Not surprised. 

Campus housing has been under tremendous headwinds for the last 4 years.

These properties were sold with extremely aggressively optimistic projections, as well as a price that represented a significant premium to fair market value.

So sorry to hear about your investment.



Post: DST or other mechanism

Jon TaylorPosted
  • Pasadena, CA
  • Posts 116
  • Votes 120
Quote from @Michael Overall:

Good day, If an investor has 10 rentals and wanted to over time sell them and put the money tax free from a 1031 toward a large purchase is there a process to do that?  Say they sold the properties over 3 year period and could not sell the rentals together as a portfolio.

Could they put the money from each sale into a DST then use the total to buy a expensive rental property?

Is there a way to use a 1031 over time to sell rentals and use the tax deferred money to buy a larger purchase?

Thanks

It would be very difficult to accomplish this. 

The typical DST that an informed investor would seriously consider is only available for 80-120 days.

Happy to chat nuances if you’d like to DM me.

Post: 1031 Exchange for the long run ?

Jon TaylorPosted
  • Pasadena, CA
  • Posts 116
  • Votes 120
Quote from @Guy Injayan:

I have a single tenant triple net lease building in the Nashville metro area.  I bought the building in 2021 when caps were lower for $1.2 million.  Now the caps are higher but the market value of the property has decreased around $1 million.  I have another 3 years on the lease, but not sure if tenant will renew.  As a result I am running different scenarios if I do another 1031 exchange or not.   I am looking for assistance in reviewing the pro/ con of doing the next 1031 exchange.

Happy to help you run some scenarios.

I have models that may be helpful

Post: SFH investment 1031 into MFH investment/primary?

Jon TaylorPosted
  • Pasadena, CA
  • Posts 116
  • Votes 120

You can absolutely 1031 from the SFR into 3/4 of the MFR.

You need to replace the next value of what you’ve sold with new net investment real estate value. 

In the case of a multi-unit, the units you rent will be considered investment property 

*I am not a CPA, so trust but verify :)



Post: 1033 exchange qualification

Jon TaylorPosted
  • Pasadena, CA
  • Posts 116
  • Votes 120

The critical factor is whether the property owner can demonstrate that the sale or settlement was made under the threat or imminence of condemnation. This is often achieved with written documentation, such as a formal ROW request from TxDOT or other correspondence indicating that condemnation proceedings were possible if no settlement was reached.

Post: 1031 or not!

Jon TaylorPosted
  • Pasadena, CA
  • Posts 116
  • Votes 120

@Dave Foster is absolute right!

I have a calculator (semi-ugly but effective excel sheet) I use to look at the numbers on all 1031 exchanges I’m considering.

Let me know if you want help with the calculations

Post: 1031 or not!

Jon TaylorPosted
  • Pasadena, CA
  • Posts 116
  • Votes 120

What is the tax basis?

When did you buy the property?

Post: 1031 into upREIT

Jon TaylorPosted
  • Pasadena, CA
  • Posts 116
  • Votes 120
Quote from @Pete Harper:
Quote from @Jon Taylor:

@Pete Harper

Section 721 of the Internal Revenue Code allows an investor to exchange property held for investment or business purposes for shares in a Real Estate Investment Trust (REIT) without triggering a taxable event. The transaction allows investors to increase the liquidity and diversification of their real estate investments while deferring costly capital gains and depreciation recapture taxes that may result from the sale of a property.

Benefits:

REITs also can provide the same ongoing benefits of real estate ownership including income, depreciation tax shelter, principal pay down, and appreciation. Many REITs continue to make acquisitions on an ongoing basis. This allows the investor to benefit from future buying opportunities in the REIT without triggering any capital gains or depreciation recapture tax events. *Please note: As Dave mentioned, not all REITs allow for ongoing depreciation, but some do. It's important to understand the difference, and I'd recommend sticking with the REIT with depreciation advantages.

The Tax Cut and Jobs Act (TCJA) includes a 199A deduction and applies to certain income from pass-through entities (including REIT dividends) and allows individuals to take the 20% deduction against REIT dividend distributions that yields an effective tax rate of 29.6% or 37% (80% for upper bracket filers). But the 199A is scheduled to sunset in 2025 under the TCJA unless made permanent.

It wouldn't be uncommon for some investors to only realize taxable income on 40-50% of their dividend distributions in today's current environment (I have seen this personally).

You asked about fees, so one quick comment. Often times the transaction between the DST and the REIT involve a significantly lower commission for the brokers. As such, many aren't incentivized to advise you along that path (sad but true). Instead, the commission is passed along to the investor in the form of increased equity.

Most of the time, the REIT has liquidity as an option. This is great of your accountant who may choose to advise that you liquidate shares during a tax year where you realize some loss elsewhere. It's also a great way to pass buildings down to your kids who want nothing to do with the active management business. Instead of saddling them with a $5M commercial property (for instance), you can turn that into 166k shares and divide them amongst your kids (who are in line to get a full step-up in basis when you pass away).

Gotchas:

The UPREIT is sometimes an option, and sometimes a mandate. It's really important to understand the difference. There are examples of DSTs that included an exit into a REIT that DID NOT ALLOW the investor to do a 1031 exchange. The investor was unaware of this previously. Horrible.

The REIT is essentially a "blind pool" investment. The Trustee of the REIT can buy and sell properties within the REIT without triggering a capital gain event to you as the investor, however, this flexibility also allows the operators to potentially add properties to your investment portfolio that may expose you to risks or asset classes you were previously unaware of.

There are a couple of sponsors I am aware of that carve individual properties out of the REIT, into a DST, then pull them back into the REIT at a significant mark-up to the DST investor. This is important to understand on the front end when you are investing in the DST.

Summary:

If you are making an investment into a DST with a REIT exit, you are aligning yourself with the sponsor in a long-term way. It's more important than ever to understand what you are getting yourself into. I'd encourage you to evaluate the REIT first, then the DST second. And in some ways, the DST becomes less (*slightly less*) important in that scenario. It's a gateway into the investment you actually want to make.

I'd recommend you put yourself in a position to take advantage of a REIT exit as an OPTION, not an OBLIGATION. Test the waters with the sponsor for 3-5 years as they hold the properties in the DST, then decide if you want to align with them as a part of your long estate plan.

Last (and best) recommendation: Ask your broker what the funds from operations (FFO) ratio is. All REITs are required to show their FFO calculations on their public financial statements. The FFO figure is typically disclosed in the footnotes for the income statement. If the FOO ratio is less than 100%, hard pass. That means they are paying dividends out of investor capital or debt, instead of NOI. That easy question to answer will be a really great litmus test in your due diligence toolbox.

If you are evaluating a REIT, it would be wise and prudent to do your homework and select the appropriate professional to guide you. It can be a wonderful tool.


 Great summary.

I want to make sure I fully understand my options going forward. From your advice I want to delay going into a REIT.

1031 --> DST --> REIT Once I'm in a REIT I can no longer transfer w/o paying taxes.

1031 --> DST --> DST2 --> DST3...... Can I move from DST to DST w/o paying taxes?

1031 --> DST --> 1031(2) Can I move from DST back to into 1031 Real estate?

Thanks, Pete

 @Pete Harper

1031 --> DST --> REIT Once I'm in a REIT I can no longer transfer w/o paying taxes. - correct

1031 --> DST --> DST2 --> DST3...... Can I move from DST to DST w/o paying taxes? - yes. A DST is considered real property held for investment and can be used as a partial or full 1031 exchange option.

1031 --> DST --> 1031(2) Can I move from DST back to into 1031 Real estate? Per the above, the DST is considered real estate. So you can move from DST to a smaller local property through the 1031.

Post: 1031 into upREIT

Jon TaylorPosted
  • Pasadena, CA
  • Posts 116
  • Votes 120

@Pete Harper

Section 721 of the Internal Revenue Code allows an investor to exchange property held for investment or business purposes for shares in a Real Estate Investment Trust (REIT) without triggering a taxable event. The transaction allows investors to increase the liquidity and diversification of their real estate investments while deferring costly capital gains and depreciation recapture taxes that may result from the sale of a property.

Benefits:

REITs also can provide the same ongoing benefits of real estate ownership including income, depreciation tax shelter, principal pay down, and appreciation. Many REITs continue to make acquisitions on an ongoing basis. This allows the investor to benefit from future buying opportunities in the REIT without triggering any capital gains or depreciation recapture tax events. *Please note: As Dave mentioned, not all REITs allow for ongoing depreciation, but some do. It's important to understand the difference, and I'd recommend sticking with the REIT with depreciation advantages.

The Tax Cut and Jobs Act (TCJA) includes a 199A deduction and applies to certain income from pass-through entities (including REIT dividends) and allows individuals to take the 20% deduction against REIT dividend distributions that yields an effective tax rate of 29.6% or 37% (80% for upper bracket filers). But the 199A is scheduled to sunset in 2025 under the TCJA unless made permanent.

It wouldn't be uncommon for some investors to only realize taxable income on 40-50% of their dividend distributions in today's current environment (I have seen this personally).

You asked about fees, so one quick comment. Often times the transaction between the DST and the REIT involve a significantly lower commission for the brokers. As such, many aren't incentivized to advise you along that path (sad but true). Instead, the commission is passed along to the investor in the form of increased equity.

Most of the time, the REIT has liquidity as an option. This is great of your accountant who may choose to advise that you liquidate shares during a tax year where you realize some loss elsewhere. It's also a great way to pass buildings down to your kids who want nothing to do with the active management business. Instead of saddling them with a $5M commercial property (for instance), you can turn that into 166k shares and divide them amongst your kids (who are in line to get a full step-up in basis when you pass away).

Gotchas:

The UPREIT is sometimes an option, and sometimes a mandate. It's really important to understand the difference. There are examples of DSTs that included an exit into a REIT that DID NOT ALLOW the investor to do a 1031 exchange. The investor was unaware of this previously. Horrible.

The REIT is essentially a "blind pool" investment. The Trustee of the REIT can buy and sell properties within the REIT without triggering a capital gain event to you as the investor, however, this flexibility also allows the operators to potentially add properties to your investment portfolio that may expose you to risks or asset classes you were previously unaware of.

There are a couple of sponsors I am aware of that carve individual properties out of the REIT, into a DST, then pull them back into the REIT at a significant mark-up to the DST investor. This is important to understand on the front end when you are investing in the DST.

Summary:

If you are making an investment into a DST with a REIT exit, you are aligning yourself with the sponsor in a long-term way. It's more important than ever to understand what you are getting yourself into. I'd encourage you to evaluate the REIT first, then the DST second. And in some ways, the DST becomes less (*slightly less*) important in that scenario. It's a gateway into the investment you actually want to make.

I'd recommend you put yourself in a position to take advantage of a REIT exit as an OPTION, not an OBLIGATION. Test the waters with the sponsor for 3-5 years as they hold the properties in the DST, then decide if you want to align with them as a part of your long estate plan.

Last (and best) recommendation: Ask your broker what the funds from operations (FFO) ratio is. All REITs are required to show their FFO calculations on their public financial statements. The FFO figure is typically disclosed in the footnotes for the income statement. If the FOO ratio is less than 100%, hard pass. That means they are paying dividends out of investor capital or debt, instead of NOI. That easy question to answer will be a really great litmus test in your due diligence toolbox.

If you are evaluating a REIT, it would be wise and prudent to do your homework and select the appropriate professional to guide you. It can be a wonderful tool.