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All Forum Posts by: Jon Roberts

Jon Roberts has started 3 posts and replied 10 times.

Post: First STR Investment - Branson, MO

Jon RobertsPosted
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 9

@Jonathan Hoflander its called Lantern Bay.  You may also see it listed as Eagle's Nest Resort.  As I understand it, there used to be an on-site management company that operated some of the units as a condotel.  All of the units are privately owned now though and you're free to self manage or have a management company operate the unit for you.

Post: First STR Investment - Branson, MO

Jon RobertsPosted
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 9

@Eric Yu & @Todd Goedeke just went back to my initial analysis, and it looks like the 50% CoC I noted in the initial post was only looking at the downpayment (didn't have any closing costs on this one). If I factor in the cost of furnishings and initial repairs CoC is closer to 30%, although may be lower than that. I'm a bit over budget on those at the moment - looking for ways to bring those costs down though.

Todd - Gross revenue for other similar sized units in the area are between $25,000 & $30,000.  Units in this complex can go higher than that though.  We are less than 5 minutes from Silver Dollar City (themed amusement park), which is a huge attraction in the area.  They're open through the end of the year, which gives the area surrounding it 10-15% higher nightly occupancy than the regional average.  We haven't even put the condo on Airbnb or VRBO yet, and we already have almost every weekend from mid October through early December blocked off for friends and family that want to take their families to SDC. They do a big fall festival and decorate for Christmas.  It's a big reason we went with this unit over others.

Post: First STR Investment - Branson, MO

Jon RobertsPosted
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 9

Investment Info:

Condo buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $213,500
Cash invested: $20,716

Short term rental on Table Rock Lake near Branson, MO. Working with our Rockstar agent, Bill Beck, we identified an excellent lakeside investment property near Silver Dollar City and other key Branson attractions that should (eventually) generate a 50% COC return (we have a lot of learning to do - so I'm not banking on that high of a return in the first few years).

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

I've been interested in purchasing an investment property for several years, and honestly, pitching a STR unit on or near a lake was a much easier sell to my wife than a traditional rental. We took a family trip to Table Rock Lake in late June, and she agreed to let me start looking when we got back. After about 3 weeks of researching STR strategies, a few lake markets in MO and AR, and taking a hard look at our current finances, I contacted a few agents in the area to get started.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

We found the deal through our agent, Bill Beck, who we connected with through Bigger Pockets. There wasn't much negotiating the deal when we found it. The condo was listed lower than others in the same complex of similar quality and much lower than units that had been fully renovated. We offered asking price + a seller credit for our closing costs and won out over a cash buyer who wasn't willing to come up to the seller's asking price (luck - we got lucky).

How did you finance this deal?

Local bank portfolio loan, 10% down, fixed interest rate for 30 years. We couldn't do a traditional second/vacation home loan on the unit because the condo is non-warrantable. Most condos that are zoned for STRs in the Branson market are primarily owned by investors or are condotels, so they aren't warrantable and therefore aren't eligible for conventional loans.

How did you add value to the deal?

The primary value add for us was offering what the seller was asking. Based on past deals, Bill knew it was priced below what it would appraise for. We just didn't know how much lower until the appraisal came back - $25,000 lower! At closing, our $20k investment bought us an additional $22.5k in equity and property that should generate a 50% or higher COC return. In addition, minimal cosmetic upgrades, painting, new décor and new flooring will add more value relative to its cost.

What was the outcome?

Closed on the property 40 days after going under contract (were able to move the closing date up by 5 days).

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Listen to your agent! I had gotten a prequal from a bank prior to contacting an agent. Our agent recommended going with a local bank since they understood the non-warrantable condo issue, but I was stubborn and wanted to go with our original bank. They switched our loan to a hybrid commercial loan and said it would work for non-warrantable condos - IT DIDN'T. They backed out less than 30 days before closing leaving us scrambling to find a new loan. I'll never make that mistake again.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Bill Beck is an absolute Rockstar. If you are looking in the Branson market, give him a call (417) 973-1987

Post: When to work with an attorney?

Jon RobertsPosted
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 9

Thanks @John Mocker.  This thread just keeps giving me stuff to add to my to-do list.  I appreciate the info!

Post: When to work with an attorney?

Jon RobertsPosted
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 9

@David M. Thanks for the information!  The universe decided a few things for me on this one.  Initially, we were using a commercial style loan because the condo we're purchasing is non-warrantable.  However, I didn't know my initial bank was still underwriting it as a second/vacation home (still not sure what happened there).  Long story short, they backed out of the loan when they got additional info from the condo association because of there is a management company on-site and some other things they didn't like.  We're using a local bank now that has done several loans in that complex to individual investors, and their product is an in-house loan that requires us to keep it in our name.

We'll likely create an LLC to manage the property as you noted above. I'll check out the other links you provided too.

Thanks again!

Post: When to work with an attorney?

Jon RobertsPosted
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 9

Thanks @Gary Nelson.  I do plan on self managing the property at first in order to learn how to operate it as a business, and I hadn't considered splitting those two entities.

Post: When to work with an attorney?

Jon RobertsPosted
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 9

My wife and I are under contract on our first investment property, an STR in the Branson, MO area.

The condo we are purchasing is already cleared for nightly rentals, but we need to get a business license through the city in order to operate it as a nightly rental. We need to have some kind of business entity registered with the state in order to apply for the business license. I'm considering an LLC to own and operate the property, but I'm not sure if that is the best option.

Should we reach out to a local attorney to go over our options?  If so, when should we reach out to one?  We're scheduled to close on 8/31, are past the inspection contingency but not the appraisal (should have that back by end of the week or early next week).

I'd like to have an attorney to go to if we need one, I just don't know when I should start looking.

Thanks!

Post: Newbie from Kansas City, Missouri

Jon RobertsPosted
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 9

Thanks @Nathan Brooks. I heard about the Bridge real estate meetup on podcast #319 and I signed up for this month's meeting immediately after listening to it.  I haven't made it to any other meetings or meetups in the area yet, so I'm excited for next week!

Post: Newbie from Kansas City, Missouri

Jon RobertsPosted
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 9

Thanks everyone for the warm welcome!

Post: Newbie from Kansas City, Missouri

Jon RobertsPosted
  • Kansas City, MO
  • Posts 10
  • Votes 9

Hi everyone.  My name is Jon Roberts, and I am from Kansas City, Missouri.  I don't have much experience in real estate unless you count the multiple hours of providing low-cost and free labor for my dad's rental business when I was younger.  I've always been interested in real estate investing because of my dad's background in it, but I didn't get serious until he offered to help me buy a new business or start my own last year.  I talked to my wife about it and considered buying a business, but I always seemed to come back to real estate.  My goal for this year is to purchase my first investment property and I'm currently trying to figure out how to make that a reality.

Currently, I work as an economic development consultant at one of the largest CPA firms in the Midwest.  I enjoy what I do now, but I don't want to spend my whole life working in the corporate world.  Over the past 2 months, I've been learning as much as I can about real estate through the BiggerPockets podcast and several books, but I know there is a limit to what I can learn using these tools.  Introducing myself here felt like a logical next step.  I really look forward to getting more involved in the BiggerPockets community!