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All Forum Posts by: Jon Begley

Jon Begley has started 4 posts and replied 14 times.

Post: Do I need a professional cost segregation for new construction

Jon BegleyPosted
  • Investor
  • South Central, KY
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Natalie Kolodij:

Just something to consider...

Pending tax bill is supposed to get rid of 1031 exchange on non real estate property.

So...1245 property. So if you do a cost seg now, everything segregated out may lead to huge boot if you ever try to 1031 down the road.

 Thank you for that information. I will pay close attention to the bill before I make any decisions. 

Post: Do I need a professional cost segregation for new construction

Jon BegleyPosted
  • Investor
  • South Central, KY
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Yonah Weiss:
Originally posted by @Jon Begley:
Originally posted by @Yonah Weiss:

@Jon Begley Excellent question.

@Ashish Acharya was right on in bring the sources from the Internal Revenue Code. 

Tax preparers technically can try to make the breakdown themselves; however, without proper training in the engineering minutia that the IRS requires, they will not be able to get you the maximum benefits. I have been faced with a scenario where the builder's accountant attempted to make the 5/15/27.5 year breakdown, and then our engineers got involved, we were able to pinpoint around 30-40% more tax benefits that the accountant overlooked.

You can PM me, and I would be happy to discuss with you further.

I know it's a fine line. I'm not an engineer or CPA, but I was both the owner and developer of this building and I handled the contractors and wrote the checks. I can say with certainty that the road and parking area cost $12,966. This will be more exact than an engineers estimation but on the other hand, I may not be "qualified" depending on how you interpreted the code @Ashish Acharya was able to provide.

Edit: I forgot to mention that this building is in a low cost of living area and would not likely benefit from the upfront cost of a professional segregation.

The engineer will actually use your construction budget, not estimate. But with their expertise, they will know every last detail to accelerate the depreciation. Most cost seg providers will be able to give an upfront estimate, to see what kind of tax benefits that you will be looking at. 

 Thank you for all of your help. I plan to look into the cost of a professional service.

Post: trump tax impact on investors? why arent we talking more about it

Jon BegleyPosted
  • Investor
  • South Central, KY
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Soh Tanaka:

@Jon Begley It looks like the depreciation years has been reduced to 25 years. It's in page 204 of the bill. 

The Full Bill

 Thank you Soh, but on page 205 it appears that the conference decided not to change it if I'm interpreting things correctly. 

Conference Agreement

"The conference agreement follows the Senate amendment except that it maintains the present law general MACRS recovery periods of 39 and 27.5 years for nonresidential real and residential rental property, respectively. In addition, the conference agreement provides a general 15-year MACRS recovery period for qualified improvement property"

Post: Do I need a professional cost segregation for new construction

Jon BegleyPosted
  • Investor
  • South Central, KY
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Ashish Acharya:

IRS has briefly mentioned this issue in

Revenue Ruling 73-410, 1973-2 C.B. 53, Private Letter Ruling (PLR) 7941002 (June 25, 1979), Chief Counsel Advice Memorandum 199921045 (April 1, 1999).

All emphasize that the segregation of cost to determine the 1245 property is factually intensive and must be supported by corroborating evidence.

In addition, an underlying assumption is that the study is performed by “qualified individuals” and “professional firms” that are competent in design, construction, auditing, and estimating procedures relating to building construction.

Also, IRS has entire audit guide at: https://www.irs.gov/businesses/cost-segregation-audit-techniques-guide-table-of-contents

They will make sure this is done correctly so better to get professional.

May be @Yonah Weiss can answer better. 

Thank you for your response. It is clear to see from the audit guide that things aren't always as simple as they seem. 

Post: trump tax impact on investors? why arent we talking more about it

Jon BegleyPosted
  • Investor
  • South Central, KY
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 1

Does anyone know if the 25 year depreciation schedule from the Senate made it to the conference bill? I saw one summary were it was unchanged (27.5, 39) but I could only find the one source. 

Post: Do I need a professional cost segregation for new construction

Jon BegleyPosted
  • Investor
  • South Central, KY
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Yonah Weiss:

@Jon Begley Excellent question.

@Ashish Acharya was right on in bring the sources from the Internal Revenue Code. 

Tax preparers technically can try to make the breakdown themselves; however, without proper training in the engineering minutia that the IRS requires, they will not be able to get you the maximum benefits. I have been faced with a scenario where the builder's accountant attempted to make the 5/15/27.5 year breakdown, and then our engineers got involved, we were able to pinpoint around 30-40% more tax benefits that the accountant overlooked.

You can PM me, and I would be happy to discuss with you further.

I know it's a fine line. I'm not an engineer or CPA, but I was both the owner and developer of this building and I handled the contractors and wrote the checks. I can say with certainty that the road and parking area cost $12,966. This will be more exact than an engineers estimation but on the other hand, I may not be "qualified" depending on how you interpreted the code @Ashish Acharya was able to provide.

Edit: I forgot to mention that this building is in a low cost of living area and would not likely benefit from the upfront cost of a professional segregation.

Post: Do I need a professional cost segregation for new construction

Jon BegleyPosted
  • Investor
  • South Central, KY
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 1

I recently finished construction on an 8 unit apartment building and it contains a mixture of 5, 15, & 27.5 year property. My question is, I have invoices for what those specific items cost so do I still have to have a professional cost segregation done to break them out of straight line depreciation. My current tax preparer, whom I'm looking to replace, had no idea. Thanks in advance for any insight 

Post: Can I expense the labor portion of a capital improvement IE: Roof

Jon BegleyPosted
  • Investor
  • South Central, KY
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Natalie Kolodij:

No you may not. Capitalize that whole roof sir. That's what it cost to get a new roof. 

 You are correct Natalie. After a bit more google searching I found the IRS publication on depreciating materials and labor. Thank you for your time.

Post: Can I expense the labor portion of a capital improvement IE: Roof

Jon BegleyPosted
  • Investor
  • South Central, KY
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 1

I think I answered my own question. After a bit more google searching, I found the following on the IRS website. Labor must be depreciated, same as materials.

Additions or improvements.

Add to the basis of your property the amount an addition or improvement actually cost you, including any amount you borrowed to make the addition or improvement. This includes all direct costs, such as material and labor, but does not include your own labor. It also includes all expenses related to the addition or improvement.

Post: Can I expense the labor portion of a capital improvement IE: Roof

Jon BegleyPosted
  • Investor
  • South Central, KY
  • Posts 14
  • Votes 1

I am getting ready to have a roof replaced ($8,500) and the estimate list materials and labor separately. I know the roof would be a capital improvement but it got me think that labor isn't a depreciating asset. That leads me to believe that labor would be expensed and material will be capitalized. Is that the case? Thanks in advance