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All Forum Posts by: Jonathon Atherholt

Jonathon Atherholt has started 2 posts and replied 3 times.

I am new to commercial property, and only have two residential properties at the moment.  I have recently made two offers on two different commercial properties that I think are desirable, mostly because they're only partially rented out so there is lots of room to add value once I buy them.  Here is a summary of each property and how it ended up:

Property 1: Small six unit strip mall, total of 4300 square feet. Three of the units are rented out, totaling $825 per month income (for all three). The units that are rented out are priced under market value for their lease rate (they are friends of the landlord). The taxes total about $6,500 per year, and there are a few more expenses that aren't included in this cost (common water and septic, insurance, building maintenance, lot maintenance, etc.). Just based on the $6,500 in taxes and excluding the other unknown expenses (I know that's a bad idea), the NOI = $3,400 per year. Assuming a 10% CAP, the value of the property is approximately $34K. Their asking price is $300K. Obviously that's way too high, so I told them that I would continue to evaluate the property if they were willing to start at a price closer to $175K. They stated that if the property was fully rented out at the appropriate $ per square foot then it'd be worth about $300K. I agreed (which is why I wanted the property), but stated that I wasn't going to pay the fully leased rate if it's not fully leased, and that they can reach out to me at any time if they re-consider.

Property 2: Larger 7 unit building, also partially leased. Current NOI on that building is $9,915 per year. At a 10% CAP rate, that puts me at an offer price of $99,150. I also valued the property like the bank would (debt service coverage of 1.2, 5.5% interest over 20 years), and I came up with a value of almost exactly $100K again. Fully leased at appropriate lease rates, the NOI would be $32K, giving me a property value of around $320K. However, all of the units that are vacant need various amounts of work, and a few of the tenants are significantly under-paying on the lease value. Last, two of the leases (about half of the current income), is month to month.

The current owner listed the property at $230K, I offered $120K (20% over my assessed market value).  They declined the offer, and didn't bother to negotiate.  They told me that with partially or fully vacant property they usually calculate the value based on raw $ per square foot, not income.  That seems like what they would want to do, because the value comes out much higher that way!

I have heard that one of the biggest reasons to get into commercial property instead of residential is that the valuation is easy, there's a formula and you calculate the value and everybody agrees.  Obviously it's not that easy, but I'm 0/2 and haven't even gotten the chance to negotiate yet.  I know the thumb rules about how many properties you have to look at/inquire about/make offers on/etc. to get just one property, but I wanted to ask the question:  Am I doing something wrong?  Am I on the right track and just haven't found a motivated seller yet?  I believe I did right on the first property, but should I have offered more on the second one?  I would've been happy to pay $150K for it (or maybe slightly more with some seller financing options), but I wanted to leave some negotiating room to bring them down from $230K.

Any advice out there???

Guys,

Thanks so much for the insight. I am definitely not willing to offer the full occupancy price if it's not fully occupied, but I understand why the seller is asking it (they want to make money!). On the other hand, I don't think the seller will bite on a true value based on the NOI, as the property would essentially be free.

So what it seems like is in these situations I just need to determine what the right value is to me, based on the ROI that I want and my determination of how hard it will be to get the units fully rented.

Is that what other people do in these situations?

Hello all, I have a few residential properties, and I’m about to branch out to my first commercial property. I have run into a couple properties now that are less than fully leased, but the owners have listed the price as if it were fully leased. I understand how to determine the NOI and apply the CAP rate to determine current actual cost, but I’m asking advice for the grey area. The last property I analyzed had an NOI very close to zero because it’s less than half rented, however the owner had listed it as if it was fully leased. Obviously I’m not willing to pay that full price, but it’s hard to argue that by the formula of NOI and CAP rate, the property is really worth $0. These are the ideal properties, right? Because they have significant value to add just by leasing out the rest of the building, which buys you more equity to use later. But the question is, what is reasonable to offer to the seller in this situation? What offer do you make between free and full price? Thanks in advance, Jonathon