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All Forum Posts by: Jonathan Warner

Jonathan Warner has started 3 posts and replied 17 times.

Post: Looking for literature reccomendations

Jonathan WarnerPosted
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Quote from @John Mason:

Jonathan welcome to Bigger Pockets!

Some of the books which are relevant would be the  The Millionnaire Real Estate Investor by Keller.
The Slight Edge and Atomic Habits too.

and

https://www.amazon.com/Building-Wealth-One-House-Time/dp/007...

 Hey John,

I've finished Millionare real Estate Investor and Slight Edge

I thourougly enjoyed Millionare Real Estate Investor. I like the practicality of it because a lot of what I've read hasn't really gotten into the weeds of how to structure deals or network properly. However, I noticed it was written in 2005 and I can definitely see tones of "real estate mania" that got brought back to earth in 2008 aha. Specifically, the idea that just buying it right is enough to make it work.

I enjoyed Slight Edge as well. It's a great framework I can apply to all areas of my life which I'm sure will all, directly and indirectly, come back to by future business ventures. I did feel like I was having the same nail hammered into my head at different angles for the first half. But by the end, I realized why he did it that way.  It's now one of my favorite books. It was a good nail!

Anyways, thanks again. I'm here for more reccomendations if you have them.

Quote from @Jeff S.:

We’ve been lending since 2010 and have never had a loan contested. We’ve only foreclosed on a few properties, all without issue, so I’m uncertain what qualifies as 'airtight,' Jonathan. What are your concerns?

Lending laws change frequently, and we receive emails from Lightning Docs throughout the year explaining their updates to the documents we use here in CA. Can you keep up and afford to have your lawyer update your documents?

We pay Lightning Docs a $500 annual fee and $500 per loan, which we charge to our borrower at closing. This way, we receive continuous updates from attorneys who eat, sleep, and breathe lending at minimal cost and we know we are always up to date. Unless your deals are particularly complex or unique, why would anyone pay to maintain their loan documents anymore?

The concern would be improper language in the document leaving me without recourse if something goes wrong etc. Obviously there’s a number of things that can go wrong, I’m just curious if you find the documents less effective than one from an experienced lawyer but you are willing to accept less quality for a cheaper product or if you actually find them more effective in the first place. Seems like they suit you just fine from what you said. 
Quote from @Jeff S.:

We won’t lend a dime to anyone unless we’ve gone to lunch, gotten to know them a bit, and looked at a few of their properties. In our view, experience and integrity are by far the most important parts of any private loan. You only get a sense of this by meeting face-to-face once or twice.

A bad borrower can kill a great project. A good, experienced borrower can turn around even an unexpectedly bad deal. I was once told jokingly that we bet on the jockey, not the horse.

Next comes the property. The borrower must have a good deal from which they will make a fair profit. We have specific and unyielding criteria for this, which we provide to all potential borrowers in advance. We don't use LTV explicitly, but using our criteria, it ends up around 55% to 65% of the ARV. We are direct lenders, meaning we lend our own money, for flips within approximately 1½ hours of our home.

We walk through every property to avoid surprises and to confirm the rehab estimate. In addition, we pull our own comps and use Lightning Docs to generate our loan documents. This allows us to close extremely quickly, which is an important competitive advantage.

I don’t know how to read our own tax returns, and I’m certainly not going to read yours. The same goes for your credit score, which tells us nothing about your ability to flip a house and pay us back.

In sum: Experience, Integrity, a Killer deal.


 Have you found that lightning docs has been airtight for you? I was considering having a lawyer draw up a baseline loan doc and make tweaks to it on a per loan basis. I’m assuming that you save quite a bit of money. 

Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Jonathan Warner:
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Jonathan Warner:

Hello all. I’ve been self-educating  about real estate for about 4 months now. I’m starting to lean more towards private lending as a way to get my toes wet and get my money working for me in a relatively stable way.


I’m looking for educational resources or literature. Any help would be greatly appreciated. 

 Lend2Live written by @Beth Johnson and her FB group is a great place as well to get information. Also  American association of private lenders is one trade group,

Thanks for the response, Chris. I’m reading Lend to Live right now actually. Seems like a great book but would like to find another book or two on the subject. Even if it’s something tertiary to the subject of lending I’d be happy to give it a read.

Im looking for her FB group and can’t find it. What’s the name of it?



Lend2Live: A Private Lender Collaborative | Facebook

 Got it! Thanks. 

Quote from @Stevan Stojakovic:

Good resource to get started is The Banker's Code by George Antone. It's a detailed perspective on how private lending works, with practical strategies for building wealth through this niche. The book is useful for understanding how to structure deals, assess risks, and think like a lender, rather than just an investor.

Pair this with engaging in forums like this one and attending local meetups to put what you learn into practice. If you’re serious about private lending, this book is a great way to sharpen your skills and make smarter decisions.

Good luck, and feel free to reach out!

Best regards, Stevan


 Thanks, Steven. I’ll check it out and come back here to update you on my thoughts. 

Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Jonathan Warner:

Hello all. I’ve been self-educating  about real estate for about 4 months now. I’m starting to lean more towards private lending as a way to get my toes wet and get my money working for me in a relatively stable way.


I’m looking for educational resources or literature. Any help would be greatly appreciated. 

 Lend2Live written by @Beth Johnson and her FB group is a great place as well to get information. Also  American association of private lenders is one trade group,

Thanks for the response, Chris. I’m reading Lend to Live right now actually. Seems like a great book but would like to find another book or two on the subject. Even if it’s something tertiary to the subject of lending I’d be happy to give it a read.

Im looking for her FB group and can’t find it. What’s the name of it?

Post: No finacing contingencies allowed?

Jonathan WarnerPosted
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Quote from @Steve K.:
Quote from @Jonathan Warner:
Quote from @Dan H.:

1) cannot qualify for traditional financing

2) fears appraisal will come in low

3) fears buyer will back out so reduces contingency options

note for cash purchase I expect a significant discount.   Is the property priced appropriate for a purchase that does not permit financing?

Good luck

It’s listed for $220,000 and on has been on the market for 1,300 days. Is be happy to send it to you in DM if you have the time to offer any wisdom! 
1,300 days! That’s 3.5 years meaning it didn’t sell when the market was at its hottest. Sounds like an unreasonable seller and the most likely reason for them not wanting an offer with a financing contingency is the property is in too rough shape to get financing on it (structural damage, fire damage, etc.) or won’t appraise anywhere near asking price.  

 That’s what I was assuming. Almost 4 years is pretty amazing. The listing time seems like a big eye sore. I wonder why they haven’t unlisted it and relisted it to avoid that image. 

Hello all. I’ve been self-educating  about real estate for about 4 months now. I’m starting to lean more towards private lending as a way to get my toes wet and get my money working for me in a relatively stable way.


I’m looking for educational resources or literature. Any help would be greatly appreciated. 

Post: No finacing contingencies allowed?

Jonathan WarnerPosted
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Quote from @Dan H.:

1) cannot qualify for traditional financing

2) fears appraisal will come in low

3) fears buyer will back out so reduces contingency options

note for cash purchase I expect a significant discount.   Is the property priced appropriate for a purchase that does not permit financing?

Good luck

It’s listed for $220,000 and on has been on the market for 1,300 days. Is be happy to send it to you in DM if you have the time to offer any wisdom! 

Post: No finacing contingencies allowed?

Jonathan WarnerPosted
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Quote from @Benjamin Aaker:

This seller feels like he has a good position to turn down people who need to finance. If you are in that boat, nothing is stopping you from making an offer with a financing contingency. You'll have to make your offer appealing in some other way. Look for how long this place has been on the market. Longer times mean he is more likely to deal with you.


 Thanks for the reply. Out of curiosity, what would you offer to make it more appealing if I did decide to offer with the financing contingency included?