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All Forum Posts by: Jonathan Thomas

Jonathan Thomas has started 4 posts and replied 10 times.

Post: BRRRR House Hack

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@Andrew Postell Thank you for the detailed response. That's a good point about HML on primary residence, I hadn't thought about that. I don't need this to be a primary residence but had thought that may be a good way to lower my cost to enter. Maybe looking at this more traditionally with hard money then a conventional product like a DSCR or something would be a better path. Tracking the self-sufficiency test for FHA. Ideally I'd be able to buy at a deep enough discount to pass that.

Post: BRRRR House Hack

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Quote from @Emilio Attardo:

Hey Johnathan, 

I strongly recommend you look into the FHA 203k Loan. It's an amazing loan product for exactly what you're interested in doing. It's essentially a low money down home renovation loan, but like a regular FHA loan, it can be used on small multi family properties (up to 4 units). Your loan would be the purchase price of the home + the cost of the renovation (less 3.5% or 5% down payment). So, if you're buying the home for 200k and it needs 150k your down payment would be 350k * 3.5% = $12,250 plus closing costs. In some cases if the house is not livable or the renovation would make it unlivable, the first 6 months of payment can be rolled into the loan amount. Some of the closing costs can be rolled into the loan as well.

A couple tips: choose a lender who does FHA loans and has lots of experience with the 203k process. Don't pick a lender who has done an FHA loan or two in their career. The 203k process is long and arduous and requires a team with experience. You'll also need a 203k consultant who will work with your lender, and the contractor to determine scope of work and after repair value to make sure the property qualifies for the loan. There are other guidelines that are in place for 3 and 4 unit homes that make it more complicated, but not impossible. If you're looking at a duplex it's a little more straight forward. For 3 and 4 unit properties, the property must meet something called "The self sustainability guideline" which has to do with the income of the property vs the monthly PITI. Your consultant and lender should be able to give you more info on that. You can find a list of 203k consultants in your area here: https://entp.hud.gov/idapp/htm...

That's the best place to start in my opinion. The consultant will be like your partner (you do pay him I think like 900 bucks but it probably depends on the area/consultant). He will be able to give you lender recommendations and contractor references. You'll also need a HUD certified contractor to GC the project.

You will have to live in the property for at least one year to satisfy the terms of your FHA loan. This is standard for any FHA loan, not just the 203k. You will also have to wait at least one year before you refinance, for the reason stated above. Neither of these are really big drawbacks since you're planning on moving in anyway, and the down payment is so low it's not like you're going to pull out tons of your working capital with a refinance in 6 months.

Good luck and I hope this helps! 

Emilio


 Thank you for this detailed response. I'll definitely get started using your suggesttions.

Post: BRRRR House Hack

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Are there any recommendation for lending options to BRRRR into a house hack? Basically I'd like to buy an off market multifamily, rehab it, and then refinance it with a primary residence loan.

My contractor brought me a potential deal for a multifamily near where I live. It needs a decent amount of rehab but it may be possible to get a good deal on it while it's still listed. 

I probably won't be able to move quick enough on this one but it made me think about looking for this in the future.

Post: Business Registration and Framework

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Does anyone have a recommendation for software to setup, register, and manage your small real estate business?

For background I currently self manage a quadplex I live in located in DC and I have a property manager for my SFR in GA.

I don’t plan on getting into property management myself. I think my goal right now is managing property managers in up to three markets so it’s more about setting up the framework for scaling if I ever get to the point where I have an employee. 

Thanks in advance.

Post: Property Management folks in St. Louis MO

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Quote from @Brian Miller:

Hello @Prakash B.! I am an agent and investor in the St. Louis area with Mogul Realty. Our brokerage has a PM company that you can work together or independently with, and I have other PM companies that I can recommend if you want to send me a message. Most PM's are going to charge 10% for this type of building. When you get into the the 10-12 unit buildings, you'll see them drop their fees to 8%. Filling vacancies is typically equal to 1 month rent. So if the rent is $750 per month, they charge $750 for photos, marketing, showing the unit, background check, etc. There will also be fees for maintenance trip charges. We hve a fee sheet that I can send that may be helpful for you as well. Hope this helps and let me know if I can assist any further! 

I am in a similar position. If you can share that fee sheet with me as well I would appreciate it.

Post: Buying out of state in St. Louis

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I'll definitely be looking out for more comments on this post. St. Louis seems to have good cashflow potential. l'm looking at a deal in South city so we'll see how that goes.

Post: VA Loan multi-family investing in Lawton, OK.

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Edward good questions and I definitely agree with the responses. Especially that time in the market is more important than timing the market. If you analyze a deal in Lawton and the number work I recommend going for it then analyzing deals in San Antonio once you're there. 

Something to keep in mind is that you may be able to use the VA loan multiple times. I used it on my home when I was stationed at Ft. Stewart, GA and then used it again for a quadplex in DC now that I'm stationed here.

Post: House Hacking near H St

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Investment Info:

Small multi-family (2-4 units) buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $930,000

House hacking a 4 Unit multifamily in northeast Washington DC. Currently the rents are well under market value so it would not cashflow. I plan on adding value to the property while I live there so that it can cashflow once I move (I'm military and expect to move within 2 years).

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

Listening to the Bigger Pockets podcast then connecting with a good lender. I wouldn't have gotten into multifamily without knowing the full power of the VA loan.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

I found and negotiated it through my real estate agent.

How did you finance this deal?

VA loan

How did you add value to the deal?

I was able to include enough seller credits to cover closing costs, VA origination fee, all my credit card debt, and still get some back to make immediate repairs and improvements. I'll be landlording while I live there as well.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

My agent Thaddeus Underwood from Samson Properties and Jane Han of First Heritage Mortgage.

Post: First Rental Property

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@David Pere thanks. Right now the rent is $1500 with the mortgage right at $1000. 

Post: First Rental Property

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Investment Info:

Single-family residence buy & hold investment in Richmond Hill.

Purchase price: $187,000

Bought as a primary residence then rented once I was moved for the Army.

How did you finance this deal?

VA loan