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All Forum Posts by: Jonathan Riordan

Jonathan Riordan has started 3 posts and replied 18 times.

Post: Quoted Drywall Costs

Jonathan RiordanPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Atlanta, Ga
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 9

Hello everyone, 

I recently just closed on my second home that I will be house hacking and am doing a significant rehab. A majority of the house is now gutted and I will be replacing most of the drywall throughout the house. I obtained a quote for drywall hanging and finishing that comes out to around $60 per sheet hung and finished (4x8 ft drywall sheets) and that is just for the labor, I pay materials. Does anyone have any recent rates in the Atlanta area that I can compare this to? the house is only around 900 square feet and I will be doing walls, ceilings in 2 bedrooms, and a skim coat on the ceilings in the other rooms. Labor only was quoted at $3,300, materials will be around $1500. 

Thanks so much! 

Post: Refinancing & Cash Flow

Jonathan RiordanPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Atlanta, Ga
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 9
Quote from @Leanna Nixon:

Hi! I am planning on doing cash out refis on 2 properties I own in Cleveland. Both were purchased around 5 years ago for cash & have both cash flowed & appreciated more I had anticipated. My estimated cash flow after refi’ing is going to be on the lower side & im wondering if I should follow through as I don’t want to end up in a negative cash flow situation. But since I’ve already done so well with cash flow & appreciation is this as much of a risk now? We also have enough income to cover in case they don’t cash flow. Curious about cash out refi-ing and when it makes sense & when it doesn’t. Thanks! 

Awesome! It sounds like you're in a great situation. I think it all comes down to what you are wanting to accomplish. If you are happy with the current cash flow you're receiving through these two properties and just want a steady flow of income every month that you can count on, I would keep doing what you're doing. If you would like to scale and continue growing your portfolio, it sounds like you are in a great position to do just that. Taking a hit on cash flow with these two properties would be worth it if you find the right deals to buy with the cash-out refinance. If you do it right, you can possibly turn that cash-out refinance into a better appreciating property with better cash flow than you currently have.

Post: Origination fees 2.5%?

Jonathan RiordanPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Atlanta, Ga
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 9

@Michael Hutchinson Definitely. I think I also value relationships over shopping for the best prices. I have already formed a relationship with the current loan officer I am using and would almost feel bad not using him at this point because he has been very helpful throughout the process. There is a lot to be said about finding someone you trust as opposed to just shopping for best rates. 

thanks again for all of the advice. 

Post: Origination fees 2.5%?

Jonathan RiordanPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Atlanta, Ga
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 9
Quote from @Wendy S.:

@Jonathan Riordan.

I'm in GA,I would shop. For an owner occupied conventional, unless that $6K is for rate buy-down, I would expect better terms. My Lender has a $1,295 origination fee, regardless of loan size.

thanks for the info! 

Post: Origination fees 2.5%?

Jonathan RiordanPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Atlanta, Ga
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 9
Quote from @Michael Hutchinson:
Quote from @Jonathan Riordan:
Quote from @Jay Hurst:
Quote from @Jonathan Riordan:

I am under contract on a house and my lender sent over the closing cost estimations. It looks like they are charging an origination fee of 2.5%. This seems high compared to what I have seen in the past. What have y'all seen in regards to origination fees? 

Thanks in advance! 

 @Jonathan Riordan    The cost is just like the rate in that it depends on the details.  is this for a conventional loan?  Owner occupied or non-owner?  Credit score, down payment all play into the rate AND costs of a loan. It may very will be overpriced but no way to know without the details. 

Yes it is a conventional loan, owner-occupied, high credit score (near 800), 5% down, $220,000 loan! Thanks for all of the help. 

 I agree with others, depends on the firm.   However, a general comment is that lenders are thin on margin right now to entice customers into the market.   If they are charging a higher fee, they may either be giving you some back in rate or they are just fat with overhead and have to charge it.   In the Charlotte market, I see most fees ranging from $1,800 to $3,000 when I compare our costs.   

However, I have complete control over my charged fees in most of my business and I can charge the cost on the front (fees) or the back (rate) so it is a balancing act to find the right fit to the customer and business.   My recommendation is look at the total offer and work with people you trust over time.


 That is a good point. I will likely just discuss with him and see if there is an area where I am making up for the higher up front cost. Thank you for the input. 

That is where I am having a hard time, I see people recommending shopping multiple different lenders, but also know there is a lot of benefit in using the same lender for every deal if possible and forming that relationship. Do you recommend searching for the best rate? or using the same loan officer if it is someone that you trust/form a relationship with regardless of their rates and fees? 

Post: Invest in Cashflow or Appreciating property?

Jonathan RiordanPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Atlanta, Ga
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 9

If you buy in areas with better appreciation, you will see greater future rent growth potential, less turnover, less property damage in between tenants, etc. All of these things lead to better future cash flow. While it may not cash flow in the first few years of purchase, you will have future cash flow and more equity in the property with better tenants and less headache. Real estate investing is a long play. Invest in more sought after areas that will appreciate at a more rapid pace with future cash flow potential. 

Post: Is House Hacking Still Worth It?

Jonathan RiordanPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Atlanta, Ga
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 9

awesome read. Thanks! 

Post: Origination fees 2.5%?

Jonathan RiordanPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Atlanta, Ga
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 9
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Jonathan Riordan

What is the loan amount? That’s not out of ordinary but it’s on higher end


 the loan amount is $220,000. I gave some additional details in replies below as well. Thanks for the help! 

Post: Origination fees 2.5%?

Jonathan RiordanPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Atlanta, Ga
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 9
Quote from @Dave Skow:

@Jonathan Riordan- 2.5% loan fee sounds normal for a rental property loan ....ask your lender for  other rate/ fee options  ....ask if they can offer a  higher note rate with a lower  loan fee  option ...good luck 


 great advice. Thank you for the input! 

Post: Origination fees 2.5%?

Jonathan RiordanPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Atlanta, Ga
  • Posts 18
  • Votes 9
Quote from @Eliott Elias:

It looks on par from what I have seen. 


 good to know, thanks!