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All Forum Posts by: Jonathan C.

Jonathan C. has started 3 posts and replied 7 times.

Post: Losing money on turnkey property. Should I sell?

Jonathan C.Posted
  • Investor
  • New York
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 5
Quote from @Axel Meierhoefer:
Quote from @Mark S.:
Quote from @Axel Meierhoefer:

@Jonathan C.

There are a few things that make me wonder when I read your post:

1. What was the goal for you when you bought the property and how did that goal align with what the turnkey provider told you about it?

If I look at my investments in B- and C areas I know that the longer I hold them, the better the numbers typically get. Your case with such a steep loss is pretty extreme in such a short amount of time, but still, I wonder if you bought this property for long-term hold or not?

2. Leveraged properties require patience even if your tenants pay on time and maintenance is limited. If you want bigger returns faster, you would want to buy better quality properties in quickly appreciating markets. So you had a plan, I assume. Was it a good plan?

3. You said you bought from the turnkey provider. They do not take any responsibility for anything and just dump all the costs on you? How did you decide that this was a good provider.? I can't imagine that @Engelo Rumora or any of my providers would do that. It's a matter of the systems they have in place to limit the risk of things like you describe form happening.. Do they have those?

4. I always recommend for my clients (and myself) to run the investment portfolio like a business and suggest to form an LLC (running as S-Corp), even with only 1 property. In your case you have a lot of losses in the time you own the property but these losses transfer through to your personal tax return, so you can recover some of it and not have to count the full nominal amount. Did you consider that?

In summary, if your goals are still similar to what they were when you bought, the location has potential, better vetting of tenants will avoid evictions, etc. it would make sense to keep the property and see if it can live up to the potential you expected when you bought it.

If you think you had false expectations or don't see a probability of recovery, I would also do the renovation and then sell. You can file losses again and the cost of the renovation.


I have never heard anyone recommend an S-corp for rentals.  Did your tax pro suggest this?  Seems incorrect. 

Hi Mark

The S-Corp is for the operations of the portfolio and the mother of the series LLC that is comprised of regular LLC's. Only S-Corps can own other LLC's and it makes sense to have all the rent and other things roll up in one S-Corp and underneath your properties are just sitting in separate regular LLC entities.
I am sorry that I did not go into that detail.

 Brad,

Thank you for your post.  I have a feeling that my situation may not even be as "good" as your situation.  I purchased the house for the cash flow and a small amount of appreciation.  Given the expenses I foresee in the future (lots of dead trees on the property, HVAC won't stay new forever, roof with about 10 years left, high renter turnover in the area), I am not sure if my cash flow will ever be positive.  Considering I paid over fair market value for my turnkey, it will be 10+ years before the house may appreciate to what I paid for it as this is a low income community.

My goal for this house was to not to make a lot of money.  I just wanted to get into the real estate game and start learning.  At least that goal was accomplished.

Post: Losing money on turnkey property. Should I sell?

Jonathan C.Posted
  • Investor
  • New York
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 5

Thank you to everyone who replied!

Logan: Yes, the rent covered my PITI as well as 5% for vacancy, 5% for maintenance and 5% for cap ex. After all of my expenses, I had about $100 left over. Even if I increase my rent, I figure it will probably take 4 to 5 years to recover the 8K as well as a couple of years to cover the lost rent.

I will look into the lease option.  Unfortunately this is a low income working class area.  I am not sure how many of the locals are looking to purchase, but you never know.

Post: Losing money on turnkey property. Should I sell?

Jonathan C.Posted
  • Investor
  • New York
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 5

About 20 months ago, I bought a turnkey property in a C class neighborhood in St. Louis, MO. Despite it appraising for the purchase price, I likely overpaid. In September 2023, the renter stopped paying, leading to eviction in January 2024, resulting in a loss of five months' rent. Estimates to make the property rental-ready now stand at $8,000, meaning a total loss of about $13,000 in five months. I initially bought the house for $80,000 and could sell it post-repairs for $65,000 to $70,000, or "as is" for around $50,000. Given the uncertain neighborhood prospects, I'm torn between enduring potential long-term losses or cutting them now. Would experienced investors stick it out or minimize losses by selling? Any insights appreciated.
Current rent: $850. I owe about 60k on the mortgage.

Post: HOA was not disclosed to me

Jonathan C.Posted
  • Investor
  • New York
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 5

Thank you for your response.  It is a single family property.  I believe that it falls under the definition of a freehold property.

Post: HOA was not disclosed to me

Jonathan C.Posted
  • Investor
  • New York
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 5

I am purchasing my a turnkey property in St. Louis, Mo. I am about 2 weeks from closing and just got a trustee letter from a HOA stating that I will have to start paying monthly payments soon. My problem is that I was never told at any time during the sale that this house was part of an HOA, so the fees are news to me.

1) Are there any laws stating that a seller (turnkey company) must disclose that a house is part of the HOA?

2) I contacted the property management company asking to see their bylaws for this community.  Is there anything else that I should do?

Thanks for any help that anyone can provide.

Post: Turnkey company taking long to complete renovations.

Jonathan C.Posted
  • Investor
  • New York
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 5

Post: Turnkey company taking long to complete renovations.

Jonathan C.Posted
  • Investor
  • New York
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 5

I am in the process of purchasing my first turnkey rental property in St. Louis from a turnkey provider. The contract stated that all renovations would be completed and a renter would be in place by Feb 28, 2022. At the end of February, the provider sent me a contract addendum moving the completion date to March 31. I have now received word that renovations won’t be ready until at least mid April.

My mortgage broker informed me that my mortgage rate lock is going to expire on March 14. To hold the rate, I will then have to pay about $13 a day. Depending upon how far the closing date gets pushed off, this could run me hundreds of dollars, if not more.

Is the turnkey provider in any way responsible to pay for my holding costs? After the March 31 contract expiration day, it is reasonable for me to ask him to pay my holding fees?