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All Forum Posts by: Jonathan A.

Jonathan A. has started 3 posts and replied 24 times.

Post: Flipping partnership going to court on debate of renovation costs

Jonathan A.Posted
  • Interior Decorator
  • Los angeles, CA
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 34
Originally posted by @Moises B.:

@Jonathan A. let me add this disclaimer *I'm not an attorney*, but curious to know whether there was a decomposed SOW with costs tied to them signed by the partners.  As a certified PM, any rehab on my properties above 50K, I include a decomposed scope with an approximate cost of materials & labor, and disclaimer on the timing of the project.  Work does not begin until each stakeholder has the opportunity to read and SIGN this document.

Let me also add, I've been using the same contractor for 3 projects lol...but I think it's for both our best interests...makes me and him (and team) accountable.

After review of all emails, I was asked by the partners how much could i do the renovation for and I said $275k. There is no where that I said i would do it at cost. I was the manager of the company and had full power to make decisions. They never seen the contract or signed the contract. They only signed the operating agreement that does not mention me doing the remodel at cost. 

Post: Flipping partnership going to court on debate of renovation costs

Jonathan A.Posted
  • Interior Decorator
  • Los angeles, CA
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 34
Originally posted by @Matthew G.:

@Jonathan A. I've worked with a construction company, that had equity interest in the architectural company that bid out the work. We were able to bid on all the jobs the architects designed, but they didn't just give us the jobs. We still had to have a competitive bid.

If you just decided to use your company then that could be an issue. If you didn't get quotes from other contractors, then you may not have been acting with their interests in mind. What correspondence do you have with your partners on using your construction company? Look through your emails, do you say you're doing the job "at cost" anywhere?

A simple litmus test is if the cost of the project went over $275k, what would your contract and construction company allow you to do? Would your construction company eat the cost? Does your contract talk about change orders? If all you had was a one page quote with line items and a price, then I think it could go either way. If you had a full contract that states the scope of work and what you will and won't do, then you are probably covered.

 I qualified for the loan to buy the house and the rehab loan. I brought them in as investors, and 1 of the investors was also the agent for the deal to buy and sell. The other 2 investors that are suing me had no other role in the deal then to invest. Everyone on the team agreed to my company doing the remodel for $275k. There is no agreement that I had to show them any receipts or that they have any say in the remodel, they strictly were investors. The operating agreement does not mention them having any power to see costs or even question it. I am the manager of the company and it even states it in the operating agreement:

5.01 Management of the Company by Manager. (A) Exclusive Management by Manager. The business, property and affairs of the Company shall be managed exclusively by the Manager. Except for situations in which the approval of the Members is expressly required by this Agreement, the Manager shall have full, complete and exclusive authority, power, and discretion to manage and control the business, property and affairs of the Company, to make all decisions regarding those matters and to perform any and all other acts or activities customary or incident to the management of the Company’s business, property and affairs.

(i) Acquire, purchase, renovate, improve, alter, rebuild, demolish, replace, and own real property and any other property or assets that the Manager determine is necessary or appropriate or in the interest of the business of the Company, and to acquire options for the purchase of any such property;

Post: Flipping partnership going to court on debate of renovation costs

Jonathan A.Posted
  • Interior Decorator
  • Los angeles, CA
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 34
@Bill F. Because I am dealing with uneducated people that even I show them a receipt for lumber or copper pipes they won’t understand how it got used and will be questioning every reciept. Now the labor part showing what I pay my framer will be questioned and so on. Lots of receipts and lots of labor guys. Only someone that has ran a construction job of this size would understand any part of this.

Post: Flipping partnership going to court on debate of renovation costs

Jonathan A.Posted
  • Interior Decorator
  • Los angeles, CA
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 34
Originally posted by @Todd Powell:

@Jonathan A. I have carefully read multiple postings in this thread and you better hope your partners or their attorneys don’t get access to your comments.  @Mary M. is correct, the more you post, the more you look guilty of their accusations.  I am not trying to mean but merely being neutral as I read all of these details. It’s sounds your “costs” have built in layers you are justifying or rationalizing. If you have a contract that clearly says bid and not to exceed $275K then that’s on thing, but if it says $275K max and at your COST, then I think they will be looking for a refund.  I would lose the battle and win the war. Tell them the actual truth. Best of luck ! 

No its a CSLB contractor contract that has a description of the work, labor, materials and a price of $275k broken down into sections agreed upon by all investors. NO where on my contract does it say I have to prove the project cost $275k. I allocated my best workers to the project, i went to the city multiple times to deal with inspectors, I used my experience and knowledge to run a smooth job, this was a 6 month process. I put my reputation on the line and these people would never have qualified for a hard money loan without my experience in the industry. Im selling additions at $400 a sqft retail these days, so for them to question me at $100 sqft is ridiculous. My operating agreement is 50 pages long and it does not say I have to show them any numbers. 

Post: Flipping partnership going to court on debate of renovation costs

Jonathan A.Posted
  • Interior Decorator
  • Los angeles, CA
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 34
@Brian Pulaski this house sold for over $550 a sqft. Higher end work. Plus I did a roof, driveway, repipe, rewire, Windows, vault ceilings, 80 recessed lights, smart home features, landscape, ran a new sewer line, new stucco, new doors, garage door, installed 3 paralam beams, 1300 sq ft addition of a master bathroom, bedroom, extend living room, and extend kitchen, appliances and all fixtures, tubs, toilets, all materials, you couldn’t even get close to this price in Los Angeles. Workers charge more and la inspectors are not your friends.

Post: Flipping partnership going to court on debate of renovation costs

Jonathan A.Posted
  • Interior Decorator
  • Los angeles, CA
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 34
@Javier D'Espaux No he kept his commission and the only one that had an issue with that is the one that has an issue with me. Everything was black and white before we did the deal, she should have never partnered in this deal if she wasn’t happy with the terms. As of now all I got was a letter trying to scare me from her lawyer to provide real numbers. She claims to have saved receipts she collected from workers and payroll numbers, I asked them to send me those numbers so I can provide the missing numbers but they refused.

Post: Flipping partnership going to court on debate of renovation costs

Jonathan A.Posted
  • Interior Decorator
  • Los angeles, CA
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 34
@Brian Ploszay exactly what I told them, if they want to go to court and make like $13,000 each, I will prove it in court. I spent over $600k at Home Depot alone last yr! Receipts galore

Post: Flipping partnership going to court on debate of renovation costs

Jonathan A.Posted
  • Interior Decorator
  • Los angeles, CA
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 34
@Jon Allen you have to be in the retail remodel game in LA over 10 yrs to earn the connections.

Post: Flipping partnership going to court on debate of renovation costs

Jonathan A.Posted
  • Interior Decorator
  • Los angeles, CA
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 34
@Jon Allen For what it’s worth I created an llc for myself and then an llc with partners so not sure how that works with the conflict of interest. And as I told them, my contract is the receipt with all materials and labor described at $275k. And there’s nothing in writing that says I was doing it at cost, they asked me what would it cost and I said $275k. I told them I would try to do it as cheap as possible at my costs I get in the industry. $100 a sqft for addition = $130,000 Material $30,000. 4 bathrooms $40,000. Kitchen $20,000. Ac systems $15,000. Floors $15,000. Plumbing and electrical $15,000. Raise ceiling beams all that $20,000. Plans fee permits $15,000. Exterior $5000 stucco. Windows $5000 and whole lot of other ****. $$$

Post: Flipping partnership going to court on debate of renovation costs

Jonathan A.Posted
  • Interior Decorator
  • Los angeles, CA
  • Posts 26
  • Votes 34
@Jose Reyes the house sold 3 months ago. Only 2 partners are questioning me, there struggling YouTube actresses. The other partner was the agent with flipping background. He’s fine with everything. I pulled a construction loan in my name for this flip, and I was main person to qualify for the flip. I basically took all the risk. I owned 50 percent of llc and each owned 16 percent. My lawyer made the operating agreement and I am had full control. I brought to the table a 5 star yelp company that does over 100 remodels a yr. I failed 2 inspections the entire time. The actress started her own flip company and tried to get my workers to do work for her, and I feel she wants to see receipts to see where I find wholesale materials at prices they can never find. I dared them to go get a quote for a 1300 sqft addition only. Then throw in 4 bathrooms and a kitchen and complete remodel in a 2 million dollar house. Additions are going for $250 a sqft