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All Forum Posts by: John Wade

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Post: Lending on investment properties NOT in LLC

John Wade
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Yes, there are DSCR programs that allow the title to be vested in your personal name(s).

When real estate investors hear about Debt Service Coverage Ratio (DSCR) loans, one of the biggest selling points is that some don’t appear on your personal credit report. This makes DSCR loans an attractive financing option for investors looking to scale their portfolios without directly impacting their personal debt-to-income (DTI) ratio. However, a common misconception is that these loans have no effect on future full income documentation (full doc) loans.

The truth is: Even if a DSCR loan doesn’t show up on your credit report, lenders will still consider its impact when assessing your ability to qualify for future financing.

Here’s why:

How DSCR Loans Work

You probably already know that a DSCR loan allows real estate investors to qualify based on the income generated by the property rather than their personal income. Lenders look at the property’s ability to cover its own debt obligations through rental income, rather than analyzing the borrower’s personal debt-to-income ratio.

Because these loans are structured to be self-sustaining, they sometimes don’t get reported on your personal credit report.

Why DSCR Loans Still Impact Future Financing

Even though DSCR loans may not show up on your credit report, lenders still have ways to see their existence when underwriting future full doc loans. Here’s how:

1. Your Tax Returns Tell the Story

If you own rental properties full doc loans require tax returns to verify your rental income. If you own a rental property financed with a DSCR loan, the income and expenses for that property must be reported on your tax returns, especially if you own the property personally or through a pass-through entity (like an LLC taxed as a sole proprietorship or partnership).

Lenders will review these returns and account for any debt obligations associated with your investment properties, regardless of whether they appear on your credit report. If your Schedule E (rental income reporting) shows a mortgage and operating expenses that negatively affect your income, it will impact your DTI when qualifying for a full doc loan.

2. Lenders Account for Your Real Estate Liabilities, Even If Not Listed on the REO Schedule

The vast majority of DSCR loans are personally guaranteed, they will still be noted in your overall financial picture, and lenders will factor in these obligations when calculating your true cash flow and risk profile.

Even if the title of a property is in the name of an LLC and the property is not listed on the Real Estate Owned (REO) schedule of your personal loan application, lenders will still account for any personal liability associated with the loan. If you provided a personal guarantee, the debt obligation will still be considered in underwriting, even if it doesn’t appear on your personal credit report. Additionally, underwriters may identify the loan through tax returns, business bank statements, or other financial disclosures, ensuring that any associated liability is factored into your overall financial profile.

3. Potential Negative Cash Flow Implications

If your DSCR loan is cash-flowing positively, it may not hurt your ability to qualify for a full doc loan, in fact it would help. However, if the rental property is operating at a loss or has expenses exceeding the reported income, lenders will account for the negative impact on your DTI ratio.

4. Bank Statement Reviews

For investors who rely on bank statement loans or other alternative financing, lenders may analyze bank statements to determine cash flow. If your DSCR loan payments are coming from a personal or business account, it could still influence their decision on how much leverage you can handle.

What This Means for Real Estate Investors

If you plan on using full doc financing in the future, it's important to strategize around how your DSCR loans will be perceived by underwriters. Here's what you can do:

Ensure Strong Cash Flow – If your DSCR properties are cash-flowing well, they'll have a lesser impact on future loan approvals. Lenders may even view them as an asset rather than a liability.

Work with a Mortgage Professional Who Understands Investor Financing – Not all loan officers understand the nuances of DSCR financing and how it impacts full doc underwriting. Working with a lender who specializes in investor loans but also has an NMLS number, so they can legally originate any type of loan, not just DSCR. They will help you structure your finances strategically.

Understand How Rental Income is Calculated –When underwriting a full doc loan, lenders analyze rental income differently depending on whether it appears on Schedule E of a personal tax return or Form 8825 on a business tax return:

  • Schedule E (Personal Tax Return): Underwriters will calculate net rental income by using Fannie Mae Form 1038, which can be found here: https://www.dochub.com/fillable-form/14282-fannie-mae-rental-income-worksheet, by taking the total rental income reported, subtracting the total expenses, adding back allowable deductions (such as depreciation & mortgage interest). If the result is positive, this income can be used to help IMPROVE your DTI.
  • Form 8825 (Business Tax Return): If rental income is reported under a business entity's tax return (such as an LLC or S-Corp), underwriters do a similar add-back calculation. However, the key difference is that positive rental income from a business tax return generally cannot be used to help qualify for a personal full doc loan—it can only offset the monthly PITIA of the property. This means that if your business generates strong rental profits, they won’t help your personal borrowing power unless distributions are made to you and reflected in your personal income.

To use positive rental income reported on a business tax return, lenders may also perform a broader cash flow analysis of the business instead of relying solely on Form 8825, particularly when the entity owns multiple properties. However, to count any positive net rental income as personal qualifying income, the borrower must meet specific conventional loan requirements for income received from a partnership or S corporation, including proving a history of receipt and a likelihood of continuance. More information can be found in Fannie Mae’s Selling Guide here: https://selling-guide.fanniemae.com/sel/b3-3.1-08/rental-income.

Understanding how lenders interpret these tax forms is crucial for investors who plan to continue using full doc loans in the future. Structuring your rental income properly can help you qualify for additional financing while maximizing your cash flow and tax benefits.

Final Thoughts

While DSCR loans are a powerful tool for real estate investors looking to grow their portfolios without using personal income for qualification, they aren’t completely invisible when it comes to future financing. Lenders will still assess their impact on your financial profile, whether through tax returns, bank statements, or real estate owned schedules.

If your goal is to secure future full doc loans, it’s critical to structure your investments wisely and plan. Understanding these nuances will help you leverage DSCR loans effectively without unintentionally limiting your ability to qualify for traditional financing down the road.

Post: How a DSCR Loan Can Impact Your Future Full Doc Loans—Even If It’s Not on Your Credit

John Wade
Posted
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 25

When real estate investors hear about Debt Service Coverage Ratio (DSCR) loans, one of the biggest selling points is that some don’t appear on your personal credit report. This makes DSCR loans an attractive financing option for investors looking to scale their portfolios without directly impacting their personal debt-to-income (DTI) ratio. However, a common misconception is that these loans have no effect on future full income documentation (full doc) loans.

The truth is: Even if a DSCR loan doesn’t show up on your credit report, lenders will still consider its impact when assessing your ability to qualify for future financing.

Here’s why:

How DSCR Loans Work

You probably already know that a DSCR loan allows real estate investors to qualify based on the income generated by the property rather than their personal income. Lenders look at the property’s ability to cover its own debt obligations through rental income, rather than analyzing the borrower’s personal debt-to-income ratio.

Because these loans are structured to be self-sustaining, they sometimes don’t get reported on your personal credit report.

Why DSCR Loans Still Impact Future Financing

Even though DSCR loans may not show up on your credit report, lenders still have ways to see their existence when underwriting future full doc loans. Here’s how:

1. Your Tax Returns Tell the Story

If you own rental properties full doc loans require tax returns to verify your rental income. If you own a rental property financed with a DSCR loan, the income and expenses for that property must be reported on your tax returns, especially if you own the property personally or through a pass-through entity (like an LLC taxed as a sole proprietorship or partnership).

Lenders will review these returns and account for any debt obligations associated with your investment properties, regardless of whether they appear on your credit report. If your Schedule E (rental income reporting) shows a mortgage and operating expenses that negatively affect your income, it will impact your DTI when qualifying for a full doc loan.

2. Lenders Account for Your Real Estate Liabilities, Even If Not Listed on the REO Schedule

The vast majority of DSCR loans are personally guaranteed, they will still be noted in your overall financial picture, and lenders will factor in these obligations when calculating your true cash flow and risk profile.

Even if the title of a property is in the name of an LLC and the property is not listed on the Real Estate Owned (REO) schedule of your personal loan application, lenders will still account for any personal liability associated with the loan. If you provided a personal guarantee, the debt obligation will still be considered in underwriting, even if it doesn’t appear on your personal credit report. Additionally, underwriters may identify the loan through tax returns, business bank statements, or other financial disclosures, ensuring that any associated liability is factored into your overall financial profile.

3. Potential Negative Cash Flow Implications

If your DSCR loan is cash-flowing positively, it may not hurt your ability to qualify for a full doc loan, in fact it would help. However, if the rental property is operating at a loss or has expenses exceeding the reported income, lenders will account for the negative impact on your DTI ratio.

4. Bank Statement Reviews

For investors who rely on bank statement loans or other alternative financing, lenders may analyze bank statements to determine cash flow. If your DSCR loan payments are coming from a personal or business account, it could still influence their decision on how much leverage you can handle.

What This Means for Real Estate Investors

If you plan on using full doc financing in the future, it's important to strategize around how your DSCR loans will be perceived by underwriters. Here's what you can do:

Ensure Strong Cash Flow – If your DSCR properties are cash-flowing well, they'll have a lesser impact on future loan approvals. Lenders may even view them as an asset rather than a liability.

Work with a Mortgage Professional Who Understands Investor Financing – Not all loan officers understand the nuances of DSCR financing and how it impacts full doc underwriting. Working with a lender who specializes in investor loans but also has an NMLS number, so they can legally originate any type of loan, not just DSCR. They will help you structure your finances strategically.

Understand How Rental Income is Calculated –When underwriting a full doc loan, lenders analyze rental income differently depending on whether it appears on Schedule E of a personal tax return or Form 8825 on a business tax return:

  • Schedule E (Personal Tax Return): Underwriters will calculate net rental income by using Fannie Mae Form 1038, which can be found here: https://www.dochub.com/fillable-form/14282-fannie-mae-rental-income-worksheet, by taking the total rental income reported, subtracting the total expenses, adding back allowable deductions (such as depreciation & mortgage interest). If the result is positive, this income can be used to help IMPROVE your DTI.
  • Form 8825 (Business Tax Return): If rental income is reported under a business entity's tax return (such as an LLC or S-Corp), underwriters do a similar add-back calculation. However, the key difference is that positive rental income from a business tax return generally cannot be used to help qualify for a personal full doc loan—it can only offset the monthly PITIA of the property. This means that if your business generates strong rental profits, they won’t help your personal borrowing power unless distributions are made to you and reflected in your personal income.

To use positive rental income reported on a business tax return, lenders may also perform a broader cash flow analysis of the business instead of relying solely on Form 8825, particularly when the entity owns multiple properties. However, to count any positive net rental income as personal qualifying income, the borrower must meet specific conventional loan requirements for income received from a partnership or S corporation, including proving a history of receipt and a likelihood of continuance. More information can be found in Fannie Mae’s Selling Guide here: https://selling-guide.fanniemae.com/sel/b3-3.1-08/rental-income.

Understanding how lenders interpret these tax forms is crucial for investors who plan to continue using full doc loans in the future. Structuring your rental income properly can help you qualify for additional financing while maximizing your cash flow and tax benefits.

Final Thoughts

While DSCR loans are a powerful tool for real estate investors looking to grow their portfolios without using personal income for qualification, they aren’t completely invisible when it comes to future financing. Lenders will still assess their impact on your financial profile, whether through tax returns, bank statements, or real estate owned schedules.

If your goal is to secure future full doc loans, it’s critical to structure your investments wisely and plan. Understanding these nuances will help you leverage DSCR loans effectively without unintentionally limiting your ability to qualify for traditional financing down the road.

Need help structuring your financing for long-term success? Work with a mortgage professional who specializes in investor-friendly loan options to keep your portfolio growing.

Post: How a DSCR Loan Can Impact Your Future Full Doc Loans—Even If It’s Not on Your Credit

John Wade
Posted
  • Posts 15
  • Votes 25

When real estate investors hear about Debt Service Coverage Ratio (DSCR) loans, one of the biggest selling points is that some don’t appear on your personal credit report. This makes DSCR loans an attractive financing option for investors looking to scale their portfolios without directly impacting their personal debt-to-income (DTI) ratio. However, a common misconception is that these loans have no effect on future full income documentation (full doc) loans.

The truth is: Even if a DSCR loan doesn’t show up on your credit report, lenders will still consider its impact when assessing your ability to qualify for future financing.

Here’s why:

How DSCR Loans Work

You probably already know that a DSCR loan allows real estate investors to qualify based on the income generated by the property rather than their personal income. Lenders look at the property’s ability to cover its own debt obligations through rental income, rather than analyzing the borrower’s personal debt-to-income ratio.

Because these loans are structured to be self-sustaining, they sometimes don’t get reported on your personal credit report.

Why DSCR Loans Still Impact Future Financing

Even though DSCR loans may not show up on your credit report, lenders still have ways to see their existence when underwriting future full doc loans. Here’s how:

1. Your Tax Returns Tell the Story

If you own rental properties full doc loans require tax returns to verify your rental income. If you own a rental property financed with a DSCR loan, the income and expenses for that property must be reported on your tax returns, especially if you own the property personally or through a pass-through entity (like an LLC taxed as a sole proprietorship or partnership).

Lenders will review these returns and account for any debt obligations associated with your investment properties, regardless of whether they appear on your credit report. If your Schedule E (rental income reporting) shows a mortgage and operating expenses that negatively affect your income, it will impact your DTI when qualifying for a full doc loan.

2. Lenders Account for Your Real Estate Liabilities, Even If Not Listed on the REO Schedule

The vast majority of DSCR loans are personally guaranteed, they will still be noted in your overall financial picture, and lenders will factor in these obligations when calculating your true cash flow and risk profile.

Even if the title of a property is in the name of an LLC and the property is not listed on the Real Estate Owned (REO) schedule of your personal loan application, lenders will still account for any personal liability associated with the loan. If you provided a personal guarantee, the debt obligation will still be considered in underwriting, even if it doesn’t appear on your personal credit report. Additionally, underwriters may identify the loan through tax returns, business bank statements, or other financial disclosures, ensuring that any associated liability is factored into your overall financial profile.

3. Potential Negative Cash Flow Implications

If your DSCR loan is cash-flowing positively, it may not hurt your ability to qualify for a full doc loan, in fact it would help. However, if the rental property is operating at a loss or has expenses exceeding the reported income, lenders will account for the negative impact on your DTI ratio.

4. Bank Statement Reviews

For investors who rely on bank statement loans or other alternative financing, lenders may analyze bank statements to determine cash flow. If your DSCR loan payments are coming from a personal or business account, it could still influence their decision on how much leverage you can handle.

What This Means for Real Estate Investors

If you plan on using full doc financing in the future, it's important to strategize around how your DSCR loans will be perceived by underwriters. Here's what you can do:

Ensure Strong Cash Flow – If your DSCR properties are cash-flowing well, they'll have a lesser impact on future loan approvals. Lenders may even view them as an asset rather than a liability.

Work with a Mortgage Professional Who Understands Investor Financing – Not all loan officers understand the nuances of DSCR financing and how it impacts full doc underwriting. Working with a lender who specializes in investor loans, but also has an NMLS number, so they can legally originate any type of loan, not just DSCR. They will help you structure your finances strategically.

Understand How Rental Income is Calculated –When underwriting a full doc loan, lenders analyze rental income differently depending on whether it appears on Schedule E of a personal tax return or Form 8825 on a business tax return:

  • Schedule E (Personal Tax Return): Underwriters will calculate net rental income by using Fannie Mae Form 1038, which can be found here: https://www.dochub.com/fillable-form/14282-fannie-mae-rental-income-worksheet, by taking the total rental income reported, subtracting the total expenses, adding back allowable deductions (such as depreciation & mortgage interest). If the result is positive, this income can be used to help IMPROVE your DTI.
  • Form 8825 (Business Tax Return): If rental income is reported under a business entity's tax return (such as an LLC or S-Corp), underwriters do a similar add-back calculation. However, the key difference is that positive rental income from a business tax return generally cannot be used to help qualify for a personal full doc loan—it can only offset the monthly PITIA of the property. This means that if your business generates strong rental profits, they won’t help your personal borrowing power unless distributions are made to you and reflected in your personal income.

To use positive rental income reported on a business tax return, lenders may also perform a broader cash flow analysis of the business instead of relying solely on Form 8825, particularly when the entity owns multiple properties. However, to count any positive net rental income as personal qualifying income, the borrower must meet specific conventional loan requirements for income received from a partnership or S corporation, including proving a history of receipt and a likelihood of continuance. More information can be found in Fannie Mae’s Selling Guide here: https://selling-guide.fanniemae.com/sel/b3-3.1-08/rental-income.

Understanding how lenders interpret these tax forms is crucial for investors who plan to continue using full doc loans in the future. Structuring your rental income properly can help you qualify for additional financing while maximizing your cash flow and tax benefits.

Final Thoughts

While DSCR loans are a powerful tool for real estate investors looking to grow their portfolios without using personal income for qualification, they aren’t completely invisible when it comes to future financing. Lenders will still assess their impact on your financial profile, whether through tax returns, bank statements, or real estate owned schedules.

If your goal is to secure future full doc loans, it’s critical to structure your investments wisely and plan. Understanding these nuances will help you leverage DSCR loans effectively without unintentionally limiting your ability to qualify for traditional financing down the road.

Need help structuring your financing for long-term success? Work with a mortgage professional who specializes in investor-friendly loan options to keep your portfolio growing.

Post: DSCR without penalty for selling early?

John Wade
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Hi Rich,

Most DSCR loan programs are available without a pre-payment penalty. The rate will be higher (typically 1% to 1-1/2% higher) but you will be able to sell, refinance, or payoff the loan without having to worry about paying what could potentially be thousands of dollars in a pre-payment penalty.

Post: DTI issues applying for new loan- HELP

John Wade
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Hi Isabella, 

You may reach out to a mortgage broker in your area that’s experienced with investment property. Even though you’re purchasing a new primary residence, investment property underwriting guidelines need to be taken into consideration with your scenario. You may be able to exclude the rehab costs as a “one-time expense”. Your mortgage broker can ask an underwriter to a “TBD” income calculation to see if the rehab costs can be excluded. You may also consider a bridge loan until you have a signed lease, security deposit, and first months rent to use 75% of the lease amount if you have a property identified and need to move quickly. 

Best of luck 

Post: Help! My Rentals are keeping me from getting a personal home loan

John Wade
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Hi Jason, 

For conventional loans concerning rental properties reported on your PERSONAL tax returns, underwriters will calculate your net rental income based on your Schedule E from your most recent tax return (using Fannie Mae form 1038), depreciation and depletion can be added back in to offset the expenses of the property.  If you acquired a property after the most recent tax year, 75% of the lease amount will be used. 

If the title of your properties is vested in an LLC, and you file a BUSINESS tax return, it's important to note that positive rental income cannot be used to offset your DTI. The rental income can only be used up to the point that it washes out the monthly PITIA (positive net rent cannot be used as income), or underwriters can perform a cash flow analysis of the business over the last two years. This is also true if you have DSCR loans that do not report on your personal credit. The liability from the DSCR loans will still be calculated on your business tax returns. If this is the case, and your LLC has made at least 12-month's mortgage payments for properties owned by your LLC out of a business bank account, Fannie Mae allows the mortgage liabilities to be excluded from your personal DTI, but any positive rental income cannot be used to help your DTI.

Feel free to reach out if you need a copy of Fannie Mae's rental income worksheet. I'll be happy to send it to you. 

Post: Do lenders have HELOCs for Investment properties in Texas?

John Wade
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Hi Jason,

They are available, but a regular cash out may be a better option depending on the use of the funds (short-term or long-term). Feel free to reach out to discuss. 

Post: Refinancing a hard money loan

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Hi Lisa,

It is possible to do a cash out refinance on a hard money loan. There are different cash out loan programs available depending on when you purchased the property, whether or not the property is currently leased, etc… conventional cash out loan programs will require that you have owned the property for 12-months. This is the "seasoning" period. Most DSCR cash out programs will require 6-month seasoning, although some have no seasoning , 90-day seasoning, etc.. we also offer a no seasoning cash out portfolio loan. Please feel free to reach out directly if you have any questions, thanks!

Post: What part of rental income do lenders consider?

John Wade
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Hi Shivani,

Conventional lenders will use Fannie Mae Form 1038 to calculate rental income most of the time. Underwriters will go from the Schedule E on your personal tax return to complete the form. Here's a link to the form: https://singlefamily.fanniemae.com/media/15601/display

If you vest title in an LLC, and file taxes for your rentals on a business tax return, it's important to note the net rental income can only offset the PITI payment (no positive income can be used over and above the PITI for each property). As an alternative, underwriters can do a cash flow analysis from the business tax return (2-year average) and exclude the personal liabilities from your credit report if the mortgages have been paid from a business bank account for 12-months. If you vest title on the properties in your personal name and report the rental income on a personal tax return, you can use positive net rental income over and above the PITI payment for each property as qualifying income.