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All Forum Posts by: John Patterson

John Patterson has started 2 posts and replied 12 times.

Originally posted by @Chris T.:

@John Patterson - The local REIAs are a great place to network and learn.  In addition to the REIAs there are lot of other local meetups of real estate investors.  Be sure to check out Meetup.com and the Events section under Networking here on BiggerPockets.

I also host a local networking event with other BiggerPocket members each month if you are able to make it.

Charlotte, NC REI Networking Meetup - Tues. May 7th

 Hoping I can make that next event! Had to work through this one sadly. Still thinking about and looking around for my first property. Feeling a bit of analysis paralysis -- but I feel I need more of an information foundation before I make any purchase decisions.

Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Gastonia, NC and Rock Hill, SC which are both in commuting distance to charlotte are good markets to be in with great demographics. I would stay far away from Fayetteville if you're playing the long game

Thank you for the input -- any idea on rental rates for either place at certain retail values - Still feeling the rental market rates out on craigslist.

I'm going to be looking into joining a REIA in the area within the month, I found one that meets monthly, its ~ $150/year membership, but quite worth it for the connections if its legitimate

Originally posted by @John Patterson:

Bump - Found a retail priced house at a reasonable price that would likely cash flow -- not sure how I feel about it (Costs about $60k, will cash flow  $100/month). Not sure if I'm ready to pull the trigger.

Bump

Bump - Found a retail priced house at a reasonable price that would likely cash flow -- not sure how I feel about it (Costs about $60k, will cash flow  $100/month). Not sure if I'm ready to pull the trigger.

Originally posted by @Chris Martin:

Apartment absorption rates in Charlotte, just like Raleigh, are not out of line: Marcus & Millichap Multifamily Market Report: Charlotte

Would you mind giving me your take on that report?

 Interesting -- so even at these high price levels demand seems to be increasing for rentals and apartments (even older units). Would you mind explaining the $430 affordability gap to me?

I'm going to post a zillow link I apologize if its frowned upon, please delete if so (of the shoddy triplex I mentioned earlier). I did a drive-by last week and it seemed like it had 1-2 tenants and the third vacant, but the shades were pretty jambled and the street was pretty class D looking tenant wise). If anyone has the time -- give it a click and let me know what you think about the property. Thanks!

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Charlotte-NC/house,apartment_duplex_type/6179378_zpid/24043_rid/22222-197222_price/86-767_mp/6m_days/triplex_att/pricea_sort/35.533902,-80.351944,34.876355,-81.310502_rect/9_zm/

Originally posted by @Eileen Mazza:

Have you also considered right over the line in South Carolina? Lower taxes, I believe and some good deals to be had. (so I've heard) I'm in the Raleigh area. check out your local REIA in Charlotte-there are 2. You should be able to connect with some wholesalers in that area which can help you.

I'm certainly not opposed to buying on the SC side, really just using Charlotte as the location to invest around as its where I have some family outside of NY and seems to be growing (and cheap enough to afford a few SFH).

Great advice with the REIA -- I wasn't even familiar with them prior to you mentioning that. Thank you

BUMP

I'm still on the hunt for a sub $85,000 SFH that will rent/cash flow in the greater Charlotte area!

Originally posted by @Brent Zande:

John yes right now I think the fringe areas are at a peak for appreciation and yes we would all look like geniuses if we bought our portfolios in 2011-2012.  That said I think there are flip opportunities in the outskirts and if you go a little bigger, there are some 10 unit or 20 unit deals in the outskirts that have upside longterm because of their current condition.  Your triplex sounds like it is priced for tear down more than salvation, if it is in the heart of CLT  then its highest value may be a new build, just depends where it is.  We have not held anything as a long term rental in the last 2 years, one AirBNB being the exception, the yields just have not been good enough to sit on them when the market is so hot to turn them loose.  The institutional investors have switched to buying land and building new for their portfolios which tells me that they see a drop coming and are not placing capital until it does but they need to keep staff and deploy some money so their investors do not get mad that they are holding too much cash.  There will be a better time to buy long term than now in CLT but it is a good place to flip if you can find the deals.

Yeah, there certainly seems to be tons of new developments and MF complexes all over. What do you think will cause the next housing price drop in Charlotte area? I really just want to acquire my first rental but i'm scared to buy at the 'peak' -- but I suppose if the deal is good enough it wont matter long term.

BUMP! :)

Originally posted by @Brent Zande:

@John Patterson I think Charlotte and the surrounding MSA is very viable but like anything you have to be diligent with the numbers.  Statesville, Monroe, Gastonia and Kannapolis/Concord are fine sub markets for the product you seek and you will get a b-or c type product and client with no tremendous long term upside.  There are areas closer in like off Beatties Ford and Independence that I think give you a shot at upside appreciation.  Know that you may find a better time to buy in a year or two but if you look hard enough there are deals to be made!  Oh yea avoid Salisbury.  Can’t explain it well but nothing good seems to happen in RE there.  My 2 pennies.

 So you kind of thing the fringe of Charlotte areas are stuck where they are in terms of appreciation? What would you do if you found a C- or more likely D very small triplex or duplex in pretty much in the heart of Charlotte? I think the rate for the triplex was ~ $150k with work needed (wasn't the most ideal setup/condition , and the duplex was ~ $120k with the same conditions). 

Thanks for your advice on Salisbury, I'm going to keep checking Zillow daily to feel out the retail market. Do better deals pop up on MLS a lot? I also noticed there were seemingly 'deals' to be had on craigslist.

Also like anyone hindsight 20/20 -- Wish I had purchased everything in sight ~ 2012 lol -- I just hope I dont buy and recieve another 2008 tier crash.

I appreciate all the responses. Thank you!

Gastonia seems to be emerging for sure as a cheaper area to commute to Charlotte. I'm still getting my bearings but the properties seem to be a bit expensive in the area from what they are, but I certainly think theres meat on the bone there. As long as Charlotte keeps growing that area will likely remain interesting. I'll look into Fayetteville as well!


Originally posted by @Dan Handford:

 I'm looking for cheaper SF Homes (Sub 65,000?) and MF units that would likely cashflow (seen a few duplexes on CL, driving around, one of which was unlisted in a seemingly great spot in Charlotte for commute time and being forced to be sold via court order ;) )-- Still need to call the number associated with that one (didn't have a price).

I sort of get that feeling as well for a lot of Greater charlotte areas -- but man if you drive around in I77 or other main highways the roads feel busier than Metro NYC ones at times. Will PM when I get better bearings or additional opinion. Thanks!

~ ~ ~Looking for more general thoughts or experience. Thanks again all!