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All Forum Posts by: John Prorok

John Prorok has started 2 posts and replied 9 times.

Post: No responses from syndicator

John ProrokPosted
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Thanks for your input, @Chris Seveney. Based on the offer price stated in the Purchase Agreement that was provided with the investor update, it definitely covers the original purchase price plus the equity that was contributed for renovations. The GP also provided updated financial statements that shows there is more equity in the property than what LPs originally contributed (plus some extra that it looks like the GPs contributed beyond their original 10% contribution). 

That said, I won't truly know my money isn't gone until the sale closes and distributions actually happen since I'm sure there will be commissions/other fees that come up. At this point, I'm just glad that it looks like the GPs didn't take the money and leave for Argentina or something.

Good question about the LP-GP splits. I didn't specify which percentage was going to whom. The 80-20 split was 80% to LPs, 20% to GPs. After the 200% return hurdle, it was 60% LPs and 40% GPs.

@Michael Kazalas - to date, there have been no distributions. In my opinion, this was somewhat expected since it was a fairly heavy value-add investment. Additionally, before the GP stopped providing updates, they did imply that they were foregoing distributing available cash flow in favor of reinvesting into the property to make further updates that they felt would boost the average nightly rate they could get.

The LP investment granted us shares in an LLC, which in turn owns the property.

Post: No responses from syndicator

John ProrokPosted
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Posting an update here in case anyone is following or is curious on how this plays out.

I received an investor update from the sponsor a day or two after initiating this thread. According to the update, they've been busy negotiating the sale of both of the properties I invested in. They're under contract on one with closing tentatively scheduled for February. They're also expecting an official offer on the second property soon.

If everything goes smoothly I'm obviously glad that my money isn't gone, but I don't think that excuses the lack of communication and inability to respond to LPs. The full voicemail inbox suggests to me that I'm not the only LP in these deals that feels that way.

Below are notes on my post-mortem for this investment in case others are curious.

What I Didn't Do Well:

1. Should have done more digging up front on everyone involved in the deal, not just the managing GP. There were half a dozen GPs on this deal and I should have asked more questions about their roles and real estate experience. For many of them, their brief bios don't even mention real estate experience.

2. Should have asked about focus. None of the GPs are full time real estate investors. If I'm being honest with myself, I probably should have walked away from these based on that alone, especially coupled with #3 below.

3. The GPs had only made this type of investment once before. In fairness to them, the deal had gone full cycle, but I definitely should have asked more questions about that deal. I should have asked what their operating plan was and how they were able to execute against it. I should have asked for pro formas vs. actuals. I should have asked what didn't go according to plan and how they handled it, and what the ultimate outcome was since the brief summary of that deal just says they sold at a profit.

4. The sponsor was required to contribute 10% of the equity which I felt was pretty good, but I didn't account for the fact that the 10% might have been split among five or six GPs. I should have asked about that and determined whether each of them contributing 1-2% of the deal was enough to properly incentivize them if that 10% equity was split among all GPs. Even more so after considering a 2% acquisition fee which theoretically could pay for a portion of their 10% equity.

5. I should have taken the time to research market waterfall agreements at the time. This deal had an 8% pref. with an 80-20% split until investors got back 200% of their investment. I think a 200%+ return was unlikely the whole time, but if the deals did exceed that hurdle it was a 60-40% split on any addition gain. I'd be interested to hear more experienced investors' opinions on this structure. For a team that had only done one successful deal to date, the 60-40 portion of the waterfall doesn't feel appropriate to me. On the other hand, a 200%+ return is fantastic and if they had been able to achieve that, perhaps rewarding the GPs for it is appropriate.

6. The Forms C for these deals discuss the impact of the COVID pandemic, both positives and negatives. In the positives, they describe a local news source as saying it’s a “buying frenzy” in the area. This probably should have minimally been a yellow flag and an indicator that the group may not have been buying at attractive cap rates.

7. Also in Form C, it's stated that the source of funds for purposes of making distributions is immaterial. I should have gotten more clarity on this since I'm reading it to mean that distributions could have been paid from raising more money than they needed. That said, the sources and uses did not indicate they were over-raising.

8. In terms of fees, they generally felt fine to me. One exception might have been a 3% construction mgmt fee. Both of these deals required significant renovations. Under normal circumstances a fee to manage the contractors and construction process seems appropriate, but one of the GPs owns the construction company that was used for the renos. To me, that puts this fee in question. It seems like his day job is managing construction projects (for which LP's contributed money to pay his company to do), so why do they need an extra fee for this? I'd be interested to hear others' thoughts on this as well.

9. Documentation provided by the crowdfunding platform provided background checks on the managing GP and the LLC that was set up to hold the properties (separate LLCs for each), but not on any of the co-GPs. I don't think it would have been worth the money to do my own background checks on them given my investment amount, but I also don't remember doing basic Google searches on any of them. Maybe I did and I don't remember, but if I did, I should have taken some notes on my findings.

What I Think I Did Well:

1. I did re-create the provided pro formas and did some stress testing of their assumptions. I stress-tested a five year hold vs. the stated ten year hold, as well as assumptions on nightly rates and occupancy. I also adjusted some operating expenses to what I felt were more reasonable and based on my own research (property taxes). I also modeled out what the investment might look like if the exit cap rate increased compared to the purchase cap rate.

2. I asked about the terms of the seller financing agreement. The initial plan was to refi the agreement after five years so I wanted to make sure they had a backup plan in case they couldn't refi at attractive terms. Even though they planned to refi after five years, the seller financing did not require it, it was a 30 year term.

Overall I think I did a decent job of evaluating the property (still some room for improvement there), but not the people. Pretty typical rookie mistake from what I've learned since then. I have some feelings about the timing of the sale of the property, but that's the control you give up as an LP. The upside is that I can say I learned a lot from this experience. 

Post: No responses from syndicator

John ProrokPosted
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Thank you @Evan Polaski and @Brian Burke. I appreciate both your input.

The minimum investment in both deals was $1,000 so it's not like I'm losing 10's of thousands here. Unfortunately, that also means its likely not worth fighting much beyond sending written notices as you suggest, at least not on my own.

By posting this in the forums I was hoping to find others who had invested in these deals or with the operator so we could band together to find a solution.

For anyone reading I am planning on going back through the original documents to see how I could have evaluated these better. I've been studying since making these investments and I know a lot more now than I did when I invested in these so I imagine I'll have a laundry list of things I could have done differently. I will post them in this thread in the hopes that others can learn from it.

 

Post: No responses from syndicator

John ProrokPosted
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@Brian Burke I signed a subscription agreement for both deals and received and read through the operating agreement for both. I also read through the Form C's that were provided as part of both syndications' documentation. They were both crowdfunded syndications so I don't think a PPM would have been provided. I could be wrong about that though.

Post: No responses from syndicator

John ProrokPosted
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@Chai Xiong Just tried calling today. Got an automated voice mailbox and the mailbox is full. Coupled with radio silence via email has me 99% sure my money is gone. Going to do some more research as a post mortem to try and figure out what went wrong. 

@Jonathan Greene I found this fund through the Small Change platform. They call themselves a fund but they were offering property investments piecemeal so I think the term fund was just a misnomer. I can't remember how I found the platform. The two properties I invested in are both listed on AirBnb and the host on the property pages is the same as the GP on these syndications.

Just found an article from a local news source in the area where these properties are located. Apparently the GP/fund struck an agreement with a local town earlier this year to build a campground in a popular trailed area owned by the town. It sounds like the project is getting a lot of pushback from locals but potentially worse than that is that the article says Shared Estates had until 9/1/2024 to raise the money for the development, but now they've altered the agreement to give the fund until end of 2025 to raise the money.

A representative of the town is quoted in article as saying that after signing the agreement in January, Shared Estates examined it's finances and asked to have the agreement changed.

So potentially the projects I invested in aren't doing well, or they're doing fine but funds from those projects are being diverted elsewhere. I'll have to check the original documents to see if they're allowed to do that and I missed it. I have no proof of either of those things though so I'll have to do more digging. Thanks for everyone's input so far.

Post: No responses from syndicator

John ProrokPosted
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Has anyone else here invested in syndications with Shared Estates Asset Fund? I'm curious about what others' experience has been like.

I invested in a couple of crowdfunded syndications with them through the SmallChange platform in 2021. The fund used to post semi-annual reports on their investor site, but those reports stopped in the middle of last year. Now that they've missed two reporting periods I'm wondering if/what action I should take. I've tried emailing the operator but it's been a couple of weeks and I haven't heard anything. It's not a big hit to me if both projects go to zero, but I'd still like to know what's going on given that the group has missed two reporting periods.

I know that this kind of thing has been somewhat common among syndicators in the past year or two due to financial challenges but I don't think rising interest rates should have hurt these projects much. If I recall correctly, both had long-term, seller-carried notes at fixed interest rates. The only thing I can think of is that bookings (these were STR projects) haven't been as strong as the group anticipated. Would love to know if any other investors know something I don't.

Post: Investing in syndications as a limited partner.

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@Chris Seveney

"We will be seeing a lot of people who made a lot of money the past five years lose a good portion if not all of that money they made."

I'm curious about why you think this is true. Is it because of the people or because of the asset cycle? In other words, will those people lose because they (inexperienced syndicators and over-eager/impatient investors) are chasing risk in an environment that is more conducive to being risk-off? Or is it because there is too much money chasing too few good deals? 

I'd lean toward it being the former, but would appreciate any insight you have that leads you to believe this will be the case. 

Post: Investing in syndications as a limited partner.

John ProrokPosted
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Thanks @Chris Seveney, I appreciate the feedback. I found LFI a few months ago and just recently started listening to their podcast and watching recordings of their interviews with GPs. From my perspective, even the free content is highly valuable so I figured being a part of the infield would be valuable as well, but it's good to hear that confirmed first-hand.

As a GP, do you invest in others' syndications? If so, have you noticed any trends with syndicated funds? Are there any markets or asset classes that seem to be in vogue right now? 

Thanks again!

Post: Investing in syndications as a limited partner.

John ProrokPosted
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Hi BP, I'm looking to connect with some folks that have experience with, or are interested in, investing in syndications. Specifically, I'm hoping to discuss where others are finding syndication deals to invest in, what strategies and geographies you are investing in, and how you go about qualifying/interviewing sponsors and general partners. For some background, I am a non-accredited investor and I've invested in two syndications through a crowdfunding platform, but I'm looking to up my game by enhancing my qualification process and find more opportunities to invest in. 

As a side note, if anyone is part of the Left Field Investors platform, I'd also be interested in hearing about your experience with that. It appears to be geared toward the exact topics I'm hoping to discuss with others. However, it is a paid platform so I think it would helpful to hear others' opinions before joining. Thanks!