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All Forum Posts by: John Mayer

John Mayer has started 6 posts and replied 45 times.

Originally posted by @Scott Hibbert:

I have been researching rent prices in Denver(Primarily west of 25) and it seems like listing are staying on Craigslist, Zillow, and Facebook marketplace for quite some time.  I'm not sure if this is just seasonal or if this is going to become the new norm along with increase in vacancy rates while it takes more time to fill rentals.  I am currently under contract on a single family 4/3 in Lakewood that I plan to house hack that also needs updating. I have been lowering my expected rents based on the competition I am seeing.  I am also asking myself about the chance of rent and value depreciation on this house over the next 2 years and if it is still a smart purchase while I have time to walk away from it.  I still have positive long term outlook on the Denver real estate market.

Some background: I moved here from Oakland in May 2019 and found a room for rent in Wheat Ridge for $900/month +utilities in a 3bed/3bath SFR with key amenities I was looking for that include private bath, garage for my motorcycles and storage bins and easy street parking for my truck. Without going crazy, it seemed like the best option at the time. Now as we enter January 2020, I am unsure if the room I rent could command $900/month. I will need to sublet my room if/when I move out to finish my 1 year lease.

I have always been curious if Denver rents and home values will be negatively affected by all of the new build, higher density, apartment buildings, condos/townhomes/modern 4plex/duplexes that are taking over Denver and more specifically the areas I in interested in living that include Highlands to east Wheat Ridge, Sloan Lake, Villa Park, anywhere along the light rail, West Colfax areas, etc.

I am now seeing room for rent at $1200/month or less for a private room and private bath in some of these new builds on craigslist.  My guess is people are trying to subsidize some of their mortgage and still pay $1500-$2000/month themselves but not aggressively house hack mortgage free. I also reading articles about the new apartment buildings offering better concessions to get people to move in sooner.

One article says that projections starting in January 2019 for the next 30 months Denver should have 30,000 new apartments available.  I am still seeing a ton of new construction in various phases of completion as we end 2019.

I have read a number of articles online and pulled a couple quotes and links below.  Let me know your thoughts and if you have any strategies for your rentals.  

Are you planning for rent depreciation when you run your numbers?  

Looking forward to hearing everyones input!

https://www.denverpost.com/2019/12/04/denver-rent-growth-slowing/

"In its most recent Denver Rent Report, Apartment List tracked a 0.1% decline in median rents for Denver proper from October to November. The median rate for a one-bedroom last month was $1,069 and a median two-bedroom was renting for $1,353 per month.  It’s the third straight month of declines after the peak summer rental season."

"Denver rents have risen 0.7% since November 2018. In Colorado as a whole, rents have risen 1.6% on average over that same period and nationally average rent has risen 1.4%, according to Apartment List. Denver’s rent increases are trailing the rate of inflation in the metro area, which the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics tracked at 2.7% year-over-year in October."

https://denverluxuryrentals.com/blog/17646/Is-the-Denver-Rental-Market-Going-to-Bust-Statistics-and-Other-Important-Information-For-Your-Investment-Property-

  • - Denver is 2nd Largest in Apartment building construction, per capita in the U.S.
  • - In 2017, 13,348 apartments came onto the market
  • - In 2018, the first three quarters delivered 8,448 units in the Denver metro area. There is a delay due to construction backups.
  • - In 2019, projections call for 30,000 apartments over the next 30 months.
  • - 33% of apartments communities are high-end buildings.
  • - 1 out of 7 downtown units come with the concession of one-month free rent
  • - Average apartment and privately owned rental rates have decreased the 3rd Quarter

https://www.financialsamurai.com/time-to-start-worrying-about-the-housing-market-again/

I think this whole article is interesting but here's a quote anyways

"Things To Know Before Buying Property Now

1) Rents have softened from peak levels in many of the most expensive cities. Given property prices are a function of rental income multiples, a real estate buyer should be looking to buy at similar pricing discounts from peak rental periods. For example, research whatever comparable New York property you want to buy today that was sold for in March 2016 and aim to buy at a 14.8% discount to the March 2016 price because that’s how much rent prices are down.

In 2017 I experienced softening rents first hand when I tried to find replacement tenants for my SF rental house at a similar rent of $9,000 a month. After 45 days of aggressive marketing, I only got two offers, both for $7,500 (-16.7%). I even hired a rental listing agent for two weeks to find people for at least $8,000 and he failed. As a result, I sold. Pricing pressure starts at the most expensive markets and works its way down. The large supply of condos in many expensive cities has really put a damper on rents and housing prices."

Great topic. I’m following this same investment path as my first deal and have similar concerns.

I do feel as though the strong underlying economy in Denver creates great long term prospects for appriciation and rent increase, despite the short term but very likley threat of depreciation.

However I don’t think slowdown in rent should push you out of the deal. The main reason to get into a house hack is to eliminate your housing expense, especially in an expensive city like Denver, cashflow and appreciation are secondary when it comes to house hacking. In a years time, you’ll get all your money back + your loan pay down, and you’ll be in a much better position to invest more aggressively.


So I would also say that as long as your coming close to living for free, and your house hack can cash flow by the room after you move out, your hedged against any potential short term depreciation as the market starts to adjust.

On the question of rooms being harder to fill and cheaper to rent, have you had any luck with tenants since you posted? maybe try some other marketplaces like roomster? Or marketing for medium term rentals on Furnished Finder?

Post: Rent By The Room Strategy

John MayerPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 44

Yes and no. It all depends on the HOAs rules and willingness to enforce those rules.  

Post: Plans For First Purchase

John MayerPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 45
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@Marston Garceau hey Marston, welcome to Denver! @James Carlson would be a great resource for you to connect with.

Post: Denver Colorado Mastermind/ Accountability Groups

John MayerPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 44

Hey all, came across this thread just now. Located just off Hampden & i25, looking to pull the trigger on a flip early next year. 


Count me in as well, would love to meet great people in my local area and add value in anyway I can. Has there been any decisions made on when and where this will take place?

Post: House Hacking Denver

John MayerPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 44
Originally posted by @Bryan Nykerk:

Great post @Taylor Burns!

I just found this post and thought I'd chime in because I only saw responses with advice on typical house hack scenarios - such as renting out rooms in your house, buying a duplex, etc.  I've done both of those, and they can be great investments for sure, but they both have drawbacks. 

Buying a house with as many BRs as possible, and then having friends move in and rent bedrooms is they way I started out. It can feel a little awkward since you're basically living with those that you're expecting to pay your mortgage. So I always ended up towing the line between my personal finances and my friendships. It worked for a while, but it wasn't extremely profitable for me. I really liked @Lia Martinez's idea though. Denver needs more of this, for sure.

Buying a duplex and living in half is a great option, but it's hard to make the numbers work these days due to competition with other investors and people looking to do the same thing as you. Same story buying a house with an ADU.

But there's another option that's slightly more off the radar if you're intending to live there too. @James Carlson brought it up, and I think he's got the right idea, because you will get more revenue this way...and if done right - not too much more work.

We just bought a house and finished a rehab to convert the basement into a short term rental with a private entrance. The private entrance is key. We now live upstairs and rent out the basement on airbnb. As long as you live in the house, Denver allows you to do this, and the licenses and taxes are super cheap. We have some STRs in Breckenridge as well, and let me tell you - those fees and taxes are INSANE. Denver's taxes and fees are very reasonable.

It's a 1 BR 1 bath, with a full kitchen and a separate entrance, so our place attracts travelling nurses, corporate guests, house hunters, and a lot of grandparents coming to visit their grandkids that live nearby. They are great guests, fun to host, and not as price-sensitive. 

Going from long term to short term boosted income by about 30% for us. And now this arrangement almost covers our mortgage. The most important things are: neighborhood and location (when are they not?), having a private entrance, having a corner lot (easy access from street to entrance), and establishing yourself as an airbnb superhost as soon as possible.

Good luck!

Great insights! The private entrance basement airbnb makes a lot of sense, and I have friends who have also reportedly made this strategy of househacking work. How has your experience been with keeping the unit booked? And how much are you pulling in on average?