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All Forum Posts by: John Hodges

John Hodges has started 2 posts and replied 12 times.

Post: Sold my company

John HodgesPosted
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Quote from @Caleb Brown:

What business did you sell off? Curious. 

Amazon FBA in the automotive space. Started in 2012. 

Post: Sold my company

John HodgesPosted
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Quote from @Greg Scott:
Quote from @John Hodges:

What accounting software do you guys use for apartment complexes?


Most apartment owners will use a holistic management software package and not one that just does accounting.  In addition to the normal debits /credits of accounting, these systems manage resident communication and activity and track things like work order completion, unit status, etc. 

There are many out there, each with advantages and disadvantages.  Google Yardi, Resman, Appfolio as examples.

I've been looking at RentRedi since it's promoted here on BP. Anyone have any feedback on this software?

Post: Sold my company

John HodgesPosted
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What accounting software do you guys use for apartment complexes?

Post: Sold my company

John HodgesPosted
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Quote from @Adam Bartomeo:

@John Hodges

Oh sure! We hardly ever meet our tenants in person. You can't leave the keys on the counter unless you want to leave the door unlocked which would encourage a host of problems. We leave a lock bock on the door and give them a code. Once they move in we retrieve the lock box. Again, I'm not saying that you cannot figure it out nor am I saying that you cannot do it but 50 units is a handful to do on your own. Most investors want to spend their time finding and working deals, not managing tenants.


 Do you supply tenants with air filters? Such as leaving a stack of them in a closet as a proactive measure to encourage them to perform that type of maintenance?

Post: Sold my company

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Quote from @JD Martin:
Quote from @John Hodges:
Quote from @Adam Bartomeo:

Self managing 50 units is not an easy task, it’s not at all impossible but it will likely be a full time job. If you are familiar with owning rental properties, know the laws, and have a maintenance team in place then you should be ok. I would suggest hiring a property manager not only because of the work load but because they will have everything in place. They often have off market deals as they have built relationships with their owners and talk about selling, we have at least 5 off market deals.

I'm technically "unemployed" now and need something to do. I'm not the type that has a windfall and kicks their feet up. (I'm sure that is the goal for most in REI).

I could see needing a property manager 10+ years ago but it seems pointless now unless you have a huge property that requires full time manager/maintenance techs. There are so many software options and most seem pretty automated. They auto list on all major rental sites, they provide tenant screening, payments online, communication via the software, insurance, etc. I've even seen some that will handle the maintenance calls for a fixed fee per unit (although that may not be worth it). 

Is it feasible to rent to a tenant and never even meet them? Sign an online lease and just leave the keys on the counter in the unit on their move-in day. 

I promise you are going to work for that money with that many units. I don't have that many units and it's nowhere near as passive as you might think without a PM. 

As for your second question, absolutely. I've done it probably half a dozen times by now. We try to do a walk-through with the new tenant at some point to show them emergency shut off locations, instructions on filter changes, etc. so I wouldn't recommend just dropping keys off and that's it, but I have had probably 2 or 3 tenants over the years that I never met, just talked to by e-mail or text. 

 Wouldn't it be worthwhile to create literature (print and online) for tenants regarding things like emergency shut offs? Particularly if the units are mostly the same layout. 

It would even help with liability issues since you can show proof you emailed the literature to the tenant. If you do a walk-through with them and they don't change filters resulting in a issue, they can just claim you never informed them. Emailing them literature to the same email they signed the e-lease with absolves that issue, wouldnt it?

Post: Sold my company

John HodgesPosted
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Quote from @Steve K.:

If you don't have experience, you'll have a hard time getting financing on something like this as your first property because lenders will want you to have experience, especially if you don't plan to hire professional management. I'd just put the money in blue-chip dividend stocks and start a new business or find a new hobby for something to do. Maybe become a consultant for whatever you're good at. What makes you want to own and operate apartment buildings? 


I imagine lenders won't loan up to the desired LTV (ie: 70-75%). But if I wanted to tap 50% as an inexperienced manager I imagine they would lend. They could firesell the property for BE even if I do a piss poor job.

Post: Sold my company

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Quote from @Adam Bartomeo:

Self managing 50 units is not an easy task, it’s not at all impossible but it will likely be a full time job. If you are familiar with owning rental properties, know the laws, and have a maintenance team in place then you should be ok. I would suggest hiring a property manager not only because of the work load but because they will have everything in place. They often have off market deals as they have built relationships with their owners and talk about selling, we have at least 5 off market deals.

I'm technically "unemployed" now and need something to do. I'm not the type that has a windfall and kicks their feet up. (I'm sure that is the goal for most in REI).

I could see needing a property manager 10+ years ago but it seems pointless now unless you have a huge property that requires full time manager/maintenance techs. There are so many software options and most seem pretty automated. They auto list on all major rental sites, they provide tenant screening, payments online, communication via the software, insurance, etc. I've even seen some that will handle the maintenance calls for a fixed fee per unit (although that may not be worth it). 

Is it feasible to rent to a tenant and never even meet them? Sign an online lease and just leave the keys on the counter in the unit on their move-in day. 

Post: Sold my company

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Thanks for the replies. I kind of assumed that lenders evaluate the property based off income and that the previous tax returns for the property would be worthwhile to provide them? To show that the property is seasoned and stable. (even if it's a previous LLC)

I am eyeing a property in my hometown. 20-units, all 2bed/2bath, new roof, water heaters and exterior paint. Asking $4.15m @ 7.6% cap. Recently reduced price. Thinking of going in hard with a $3.8m cash offer. If I could snag it at that price thats putting me at a ~8.3% cap. Property has a tenant waiting list. 

Quote from @Bill Brandt:

Of course you could put it a guaranteed bank cd and make over $300k so make sure the juice is worth the squeeze. Not too many real estate deals will cash flow a guaranteed $25k/mo. Maybe use that money to invest in a couple rental homes first. Something you have experience buying and are easy to sell. Takes the pressure off to find a subpar deal and lose a million or two.

CD is too boring. I need something to do.

Post: Sold my company

John HodgesPosted
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Hello all,

I recently sold an online company I started 8+ years ago. After taxes I am ending up with roughly ~$6m. I am looking to purchase in cash initially and then refinance. 

I've been looking at multifamily buildings in the county I grew up in here in Central Florida. I have a few questions that may seem silly

1) If I purchase an apartment complex in cash and form a new LLC, can I still use the old LLCs tax returns to leverage the equity in the property? Or is it viewed as a "brand-new" company since a new LLC is formed and the corporate credit is non existent?

2) And what point is a property manager worthwhile? Again, I sold my company so I don't have any current projects and plenty free time to do this myself. Since I'm paying cash up front I could realistically acquire 50 units across 2 or 3 properties within a 10mi radius.

Originally posted by @Chet Mazur:

I think that commercial lenders have greater flexibility. If pledging the personal assets they care, and not if personal assets kept personal.

 So if I am seeking a strictly commercial loan based off the property, all they care about is the actual properties income? I assume they would want to see at least a year of income on a tax return as well?