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All Forum Posts by: John Errico

John Errico has started 7 posts and replied 120 times.

Post: 4-Plex House Hack

John ErricoPosted
  • Attorney
  • Rutherford, NJ
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 168

Hey @Derek Famulari congrats--really exciting! I think those numbers look reasonable (assuming you are calculating cash flow with you living in one of the units). I believe I know the house and that's right on the border of Weehawken and Union City, so I think those rents are pretty good--may depend a little bit on the condition of the units (those rents would be high for Union City, but your proximity to Palisade Ave helps a lot, and also the Weehawken address). I've never had coin operated laundry in any property I own, but I do know, from friends who have, that it can a pain to service/keep operating (particularly if your tenants bring their friends over to use it)--so it may be that the revenue is not worth the cost of maintaining it. 

I'm not sure if it's an actual short sale but, if it is, you should anticipate a *long* time for closing. A property I bought recently not too far from the house you're considering was a short sale and took something in the vicinity of 8 months to finally close, which I think was on the faster side since allegedly the bank had "preapproved" the short sale before the house was listed. That's probably the only negative I see to the owner being in a foreclosure situation--and if it's not a short sale, you won't have to worry about that (on the flip side, he or she will probably be motivated to accept any offer that they get, so that bodes well, but you may be, or may already be, competing with other offers).

Things I would be curious to know about: are all of the utilities separate? If not, the cost of utilities you'd need to pay should be factored into your assumptions (it'd be surprising, for example, if heat and hot water were separate for all units). If there is not separate electricity, I'd definitely factor in the cost of splitting that for whatever units don't have it, which may be somewhat high. For basement units (I'm assuming that one of the units is in the basement) I'd want to carefully look to see what the water issues are down there: is there a french drain or other system? Do they frequently get water down in the basement (like any obvious signs of this/mold)? If there are water issues that's potentially a big expense to fix--possibly you'll need to rip up the entire basement apartment and start again for it to be properly drained. Is the basement weird (like super low ceiling, bedrooms without windows, or they didn't properly divide the utility area from the apartment, etc.)? That might impact how much you'd get for rent in that unit, and potentially raise some legality issues (if the bedrooms don't have windows where, say, a fireman can enter and exit). Same is true for the top unit (is in an attic? Is the ceiling height OK? Weird bathroom? Bedrooms have access to fire escapes?). 

For 3+ families it'd also be good to make sure they have a current green card (issued by the state of New Jersey sort of like a certificate of occupancy renewed every 5 years indicating that the building passes whatever requirements the state imposes). 3 story buildings with 3 units need to have a fire escape, exit signs, self-closing doors, etc.--if they have a green card this is usually a sign that they complied with all of the requirements the state imposes as of their last inspection date. In addition, though this is unlikely to be something you can figure out by walking through the building, make sure that Weehawken itself believes this is a 4 family--I've definitely seen occasions in Hudson County where a realtor or owner will advertise a building as whatever, but the city itself will see it differently (again often an issue with basement apartments). Not having a current green card is probably not a deal breaker (although you'd want to know why this didn't happen, and when the last one was issued), but having the city believe it is, say, a 3 or 2 family, certainly is (the effort you'll go through to convert this to a 4 family, if possible, will be a lot). Maybe one obvious one: does it actually look like a 4 family? (Normal kitchen and bathroom on every floor/unit with separate, keyed entrances to each unit)? It sounds like the home is vacant which suggests, possibly, that it was owner occupied--did they do anything that you'd have to undo to make it into a normal 4 family (and how extensive would those repairs be)? I've seen several 2 family homes used as 1 families that require basically building an entire unit on the second floor (kitchen etc) which is quite a big expense.

For pretty much any property in this area, you'd want to see if it's possible that they have an underground oil tank (abandoned or in use). If the building has gas heat then obviously they're not using oil for heating, but you can see if you see any odd, old looking pipes (not water, not gas, pretty narrow and often bent at less than 90 degree angles) going underground. You can also see if there are obvious signs that a tank was abandoned (filled with sand or foam) in the past--like a fill or vent pipe (wide pipes going vertically up) near the basement outside, or a weird circular depression about the size of a tin can top in the concrete usually in front of the house. Unless you have definitive evidence that an oil tank was removed in the past or was never underground, it's worth the money to get a company to do an oil tank sweep--an abandoned underground oil tank is usually a deal breaker if the seller is refusing to remove it, mostly due to the fact that the liability arising from it can be in the 10s or even 100s of thousands of dollars depending on the extent, if any, of oil leaks/contamination.

A lot of these things, though, are issues you can address after going under contract in your inspection process, and your inspector will look at lots of other things as well (is the roof OK? any weird electricity or plumbing issues/leaks? etc.). I don't think you should (nor will you have time, likely, given the activity of the market) to investigate much of any of these things before submitting an offer--and obviously your offer will be contingent on having a satisfactory inspection and resolving any issues or giving concessions. You might burn some human capital (like, frustrate your broker/banker/lawyer or the other side) if you go under contract then find something you don't like and don't buy... but obvious I'd prefer to do that than to buying a house with expensive or difficult issues.

I know from experience that FHA loans for 3+ family homes can be a little challenging (they have to meet a "self sufficiency" test, where the rents for the units have to substantiate the carrying cost of the property). This may not sound hard given the numbers you are quoting, but I've seen appraisers use crazy numbers for rental income, and at least two people I know of have had deals fall through because of it. Sellers are also sometimes warrying of taking FHA financing, particularly in the current local market when they are lots of buyers. If you're competing with other offers, you may have to overpay, possibly somewhat significantly, for the luxury of doing FHA. Maybe even more so if the sellers need to move right now--FHA loans typically take longer to close because of the heightened requirements on the property, and are more uncertain to close (if it doesn't pass the FHA appraisal/inspection, you're just not going to be able to buy the property). If I was the seller and had to move *now* I'd probably take an all cash offer, if possible, even $50k below ask just so I could get out of it. 203k might be an option if there are things wrong, like the roof is leaking or whatever, but again there's a fair amount of complexity involved that might delay the process. Obviously--it's well worth trying!

Best of luck! We have a local meetup group too as well mostly of BP members in Hudson County that you're welcome to attend (we're having a happy hour type event next week). Feel free to PM me for the information!

Post: Aspiring North NJ Investor!

John ErricoPosted
  • Attorney
  • Rutherford, NJ
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 168

Hi @Emily Parlapiano welcome! There are a fair number of investors in Hudson County (NJ) here on BP. We have a meetup of group mostly for BP investors that I'd be happy to invite you too--feel free to PM me if you'd like (we're having a happy hour type event next week). Best of luck!

Post: First time buyer! North Jersey (Hudson County) - Need Agent

John ErricoPosted
  • Attorney
  • Rutherford, NJ
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 168

Hey @Victor Cano I know a number of agents in the area (and would be happy to recommend our agent, as well). We own 4 MF properties in Union City and are buying a few others. Feel free to send me a PM!

Post: Flip in Hudson County NJ

John ErricoPosted
  • Attorney
  • Rutherford, NJ
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 168

Hi @Alex Kartalyan welcome! There are definitely a number of other Hudson county investors on BP. I live and invest in Union City and have had a fair amount of success here, although exclusively with buy-and-hold type investments. We have a meetup group comprised mostly of BP members in Hudson County that you'd be welcome to come to (we do a super informal happy hour once a month)--feel free to PM if you'd like details.

You may be hard pressed to find flips in that price range in the areas you're looking at, at least in the current market. Even properties that I would consider on the verge of teardowns are still starting in the low 200s (at least those on the MLS) in Union City, and prices are generally higher in the Journal Square area. You might want to try to seek out off market/off MLS deals (wholesalers, etc.)--obviously if you are buying with cash you'll have an advantage, but it may take quite some time and effort. Perhaps, realistically, you'll be able to find something in the higher end of your range for a single family.

Separately, you could look deeper into Jersey City (like Greenville, though not sure about your comfort being further from the light rail and dealing with some crime issues) or alternatively in areas around Union City (North Bergen, West New York), although I'm not super optimistic you'll be able to find deals in that price range. FWIW, if you were to find, say, a 2 family < $250k in Union City, I think that'd be a steal even if you have to put $100k into it, and a potential good opportunity for a flip. 2 families even in moderate condition are selling for >= $350k currently and at least, anecdotally, >= $400k renovated. 

Best of luck!

Post: Searching for a reliable team

John ErricoPosted
  • Attorney
  • Rutherford, NJ
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 168

Hey @Kedian Jimenez do you want to PM me? Happy to pass along the people that I work with.

Post: Best areas to invest $150k within 3 hrs driving distance from NJ?

John ErricoPosted
  • Attorney
  • Rutherford, NJ
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 168

I agree with @Kunal Mishra regarding Hudson County. Jersey City and Union City (and all of Hudson County) have gotten very competitive. Cash flow is still good, but, if prices continue to appreciate at the rate they've been going in the past ~2 years, won't be good deals for investors soon. You might look "deeper" into Jersey City, like Greenville, but for $150k it still may be hard to find a deal. You'll also have to worry about crime and below-average tenants. (Also, are you looking to invest $150k cash? Or invest it as a down payment and do financing? Or a max $150k budget for a financed property? With a $150k down payment, for example, you definitely buy many multi-families in JC or UC, but obviously depends if the numbers work for you).

Newark (New Jersey) and the surrounding area (i.e. Elizabeth) are an option, but you'll have to get lucky with tenants, and I'm not sure of the state of management companies there looking to manage a single 2-3 unit property. Obviously crime is a big issue, and the public school system is abysmal which attracts certain types of renters (namely, lower income people, or people without families/children). It may be a lot, particularly if you're going to be exclusively offsite.

You could get some distressed properties in southern Westchester county (Mount Vernon, Yonkers), in the $150k range, however, for higher rental demand, look towards the border with the Bronx. Cash flow will be OK, even with the high taxes (taxes will range for, say, 2 families from like $8-9k/year to $20k/year if they're assessed strangely), but your tenants will be lower quality (bad schools in a predominantly lower income area, particularly in the south), and crime is a big issue (although getting better), particularly the closer you get to the Bronx.

Finally, I've invested in New Haven County and had some success. Universities in New Haven keep the rental market active (vacancy rates are very low in general). You won't be able to buy in that price range anywhere around, say, Yale, but the university employs so many people that you can get property (2-3 families) in a relatively safe area that appeals to Yale employees, who are generally good tenants in my experience. I don't know the area super well, but be mindful of crime--it's very street-to-street and block-by-block. Rents are around where they are for, say, Hudson County, New Jersey, but prices and taxes are way lower, so cash flow is sometimes significantly better. I use a management company there as well that is quite good. Again, though, for your price range you'll probably be getting Section 8 or otherwise low income tenants, so the tradeoff for good cash flow is that your tenants will be of variable quality, which, obviously, is its own headache.

NY, NJ, CT are all incredibly tenant friendly. Not sure about PA, but hard to imagine almost any state that could be more tenant friendly than those 3. Don't know anything about real estate in MD or DE.

Post: New member Union City, Nj

John ErricoPosted
  • Attorney
  • Rutherford, NJ
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 168

Hey @Diego Salcedo Jr. feel free to PM me and I can give you some recommendations for people that I've used in the past in the area.

Post: New member Union City, Nj

John ErricoPosted
  • Attorney
  • Rutherford, NJ
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 168

Hey @Diego Salcedo Jr. the state of New Jersey has a law called the Hotel and Multiple Dwelling Law (http://www.state.nj.us/dca/divisions/codes/publications/pdf_bhi/h_md_law.pdf). Basically, for every building that has 3+ families the state inspects the building for compliance with various laws every 5 years (like to ensure you have fire escapes, smoke detectors, the building is structurally sound, etc.). If you pass the inspection and pay fees and whatever else, you're issued what most people call a "Green Card," which is really just certificate of inspection from New Jersey. If you don't have this certificate and you rent the property out you could be fined a lot of money by the state. Usually the state employs local (city) building inspectors to do this on their behalf: so your city's building inspector will come and inspect the building on behalf of the state of NJ.

Post: Hello. I am a newbie from the hudson county area Nj

John ErricoPosted
  • Attorney
  • Rutherford, NJ
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 168

Hey @Account Closed, welcome! There's a pretty active community of investors here on BiggerPockets in the Hudson County area, mostly focusing on Jersey City and Union City. As I think I mentioned on another post of yours, we have a meetup group that we host at the end of every month. If you PM me I'd be happy to give you the info.

I think a lot of people feel the same way that you feel now when they are starting out. We bought our first 2 family in Union City (Hudson County) after doing some research and thought, but certainly not as much as we do now before we buy properties and, luckily for us, everything worked out great. You can try to de-risk the purchase by doing as much research as possible but, at the end of the day, it's still going to be feel like a big risk and a big unknown. However, from personal experience, if you want to continue buying beyond your first property, it gets way, way easier.

I think there's an inclination for people starting out to get bogged down by analysis paralysis... so they look exclusively at the numbers and try to quantify all of the risks in the property before pulling the trigger, but then never actually do. I don't personally think that attitude is very helpful particularly when you start out (and, frankly, with the market as competitive as it is in this area, you'll probably lose out on most deals): there were things that we did when we first started that I would do differently now but, had we never pulled the trigger initially, we wouldn't be able to learn from our mistakes and be in a position to buy more now. If you accept that there are things that you won't know, and trust people here on BP, or your realtor, attorney, etc., you may still make mistakes but, if you surround yourself with quality people, I think everything will work out OK. Although the numbers are important (cap rate, vacancy rate, average rentals in the area, etc. as others have mentioned here), it's really not all about that exclusively--there's value too in just getting experience, particularly at your relatively young age, and learning and growing now by doing something might be better for you long-term than making sure you get the most fantastic, risk-free deal conceivable.

In general, I think Hudson County is a great place to invest in. You have (generally) safe neighborhoods, good proximity to NYC, fair/improving schools, good cash flow and, at least in the past several years, fantastic property appreciation (excluding the already incredibly pricey areas on the Hudson River). 

Best of luck!

Post: Hello. Hudson County NJ meet up ideas.

John ErricoPosted
  • Attorney
  • Rutherford, NJ
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 168

We have a small group that another BP member and I started last year. Feel free to PM me and I'll send you the information, but we generally meet once a month at the end of the month for a super informal happy hour somewhere in Hudson County. You're more than welcome to come!