All Forum Posts by: John Clark

"BTW, under your theorem, everyone should be rich, as everyone has access to the same infrastructure. All citizens of socialist countries should also be rich because the people own the infrastructure and means of production. Sorry, complete folly."

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Gary, you either didn't read my post or didn't read it for comprehension. I wrote that you built your wealth on a foundation provided by the government. You cannot deny that. How you jump from "you built yours" to "why isn't everyone rich then, huh?" is beyond me.

You and I took advantage of the opportunities governments created by giving us the foundation of a civilized society. Others don't and didn't. They aren't well off. We are. That is irrelevant to the fact that it was government that gave us the foundation of our success: infrastructure, the opportunities created by the presence of infrastructure (e.g. Central Park in New York,  mass transit stations near property we own, etc.) education, rule of law. The list goes on.

Is tax money squandered? Certainly. That is irrelevant to the simple fact that your wealth and my wealth is due to government action. Whether you want to whine about it or not, Gary, you have to give the Devil his due, and no, you did NOT build your wealth on your own. Your logic in trying to prove you did build it yourself  (why isn't everyone rich) is delusional in the extreme.

@Andrey Y

"If you are under the age of 60 and healthy, you're chance of dying from Covid-19 if you catch it, is exactly 0.002% (Infection fatality rate). Across all ages/overall, its 0.2-0.3%. Influenza is 0.1%."

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Lethality rates are meaningless without infection rates. Why do you omit infection rates in your comparison of Covid-19 and seasonal influenza?

"How did you manage to make this a race issue? This has absolutely nothing to do with blacks or whites. Honestly this has become so far fetched. The point in which I’m trying to make is that I believe there’s a middle ground between socialism and advocating Jim Crow."
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Hold on there, Sport. YOU are the one who brought up freedoms and liberty as our "founding fathers" knew it. They knew slavery and supported it. The point is that you take the good with the bad. So you get to wax rapsodic about our founding fathers defending property, you have to accept the fact that slaves were property. Guess what? Our founding fathers were not perfect and did not create a perfect system.

So now the state has temporarily stripped you of the ability to evict tenants. How is that "socialism" by any rational definition of the word? You'll be able to go after your tenants for back rent, and evict them, within a reasonable defined  length of time -- the end of the pandemic. That's not "socialism." It's not expropriation. It's state's exercising their inherent powers in the way they have exercised those powers for centuries (yes, even before, during, and after, our founding fathers).

Here's a suggestion: Stop your idiotic attempts at wrapping yourself in the flag.

"Anthony Jasmine

"How we respond to this pandemic is what I’m referring to when I say natural. Society has faced tough situations throughout all of human history. An artificially propped up economy that will inevitably collapse is not the solution."
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It created a new solution when everything shook out. Thus we will create a new solution without the hystrionics of ersatz historians. After all, the black death ended feudalism. Can't we agree that covid-19 will require governments to pay rents for those who dont? With appropriate penallties?

To your other response about your Rosa Parks rhetoric. No, that’s not what I mean. I think that we mutually and rationally understand that there’s a middle ground between socialism and institutional racism.

"I think that we mutually and rationally understand that there’s a middle ground between socialism and institutional racism. "

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No dice Anthony, but you are completely and totally ignorant of the approach the South took to Slavery. Don't even try to defend your ignorance. THEY WERE TALKING PROPERTY!! AND RIGHTS1111

The merest internet search will show your folly.

That leaves aside the assumption you cook up about socialism. Do you stand for the proposition that renters are racists? Or victims of racism? Or that rational responses to pandemics are racism?

"Nuff said.

"Tom Gimer  The only potential defendants here are the seller, and the buyer's attorney and real estate broker. This absolutely should never have been an issue left open to resolve post-closing."

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If the buyer wants to leave the issue open after closing the buyer's lawyer's duty is to counsel his client that the client is an eff****ing idiot. The buyer's lawyer's second duty is to paper his butt six ways to Sunday about all the ramifications of his client being an eff***ing idiot.

That done, the buyer has no recourse against his own lawyer.

"@Tom Gimer

@John Clark Nobody suggested suing the other guy's attorney."

Wrong. suit vs. attorney has always been a part of the discussion. Those people are wrong, too.
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"Think a lawsuit arguing breach of contract, and negligence on the part of the 1st attorney, Ms. ****, would be the best course of action. "

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The people who want to sue the seller's lawyer are wrong because he had no duty and no contract, with the buyer.

SUE the SELLER if able!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Don't you think that the government could have possibly maybe just interfered a little less, and maybe things might be a little better? "
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Could have? Sure. Did it make a passable fist of the job under the circumstances? Yes. Don't let great be the enemy of good. work towards improvement, not perfection. We'll be perfect when we're dead.
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"Maybe we as Americans should allow the people to govern themselves a little as our founding fathers fought for that right? "
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Are you telling us that the colored need to go to the back of the bus?

"It seems as if the government is interfering with the natural order of things, "

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Pandemic is the natural order of things?

"Sorry, but I don't need forbearance, just my rights restored to due process when my tenants are in default. "
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I think you will find that throughout history governments have regulated land use, and have imposed restrictions for health reasons. Read about the tragedy of the commons. By all means document your cases of people abusing the system; that will help persuade the politicians to stop/not exercising the states' inherent power to regulate health, safety, and welfare (incidentally, most states in the South and Appalachia have banned snake handling in churches. Would you like to tell us that those states violated parishioners' First Amendment rights? I can tell you right now that the states didn't.

Do we live in dangerous times, with populist governments wanting to flaunt their economic ignorance with pie in the sky ideas and solutions? Darn tootin' we do. Does that mean states aren't on firm ground to refuse to evict now? No.

For the record, I think we should be able to evict during Covid-19. It's not the Black Death, and those who can but won't pay will find their minds focused. As for those who cannot pay, I say to take the money away from corporations that took stimulus money after adding debt, etc, and using it to pay rents.

" That infrastructure was bought and paid for by the folks who "built it" as well. Pretty sure at least some part of my 300k in my yearly income and property taxes went to something worthwhile, like
infrastructure."

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And some part of my comparable income and property taxes went to it too. Trouble is, some of the taxes of renters went to that infrastructure too. Also, it was government -- NOT you or me -- that planned and directed that investment.

Let me give you an example -- who created the value and the wealth seen in the property around Central Park in New York City? I'll give you a hint; it wasn't the people who own property there or even those who built or bought those buildings. It was the GOVERNMENT of New York City. How? The government made Central Park possible and then built it.

So no, you didn't build it on your own. You built it with the government's help, and you sell to people educated by the government (public education), and the local governments, for the health, safety, and welfare of us all, have TEMPORARILY banned evictions. You -- and I -- will be able to take money judgments and resume obtaining eviction orders as well.

The only delusional position is yours: You owe your wealth to being able to build on a foundation constructed by all levels of government.