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All Forum Posts by: John Bapst

John Bapst has started 1 posts and replied 2 times.

@Russell Brazil @Omar Khan

Nowhere in my post did I call for a price decline. Just noted that price appreciation has gone hyperbolic. Also, wouldn't make the argument "prices have only gone down twice before, it can't happen!" That's exactly what we heard back in 2003-2006...but hey, at least I know where sentiment is. And I'm not even addressing the entire national market - this is expressly about Portland, Maine.

You want to talk national trends I would be happy to point out that first time buyers as a % of mortgage applicants is around 45% versus 15% two years ago, that there is a lot of overdevelopment going on in multiple markets (D.C. comes to mind as a great example, and the public apartment REITs results there back this up), that birth rates for 25-35 year old women have started picking up, etc. that all support my viewpoint that entry-level single-family product is what people want and that on the balance, the market is not as supportive of rent increases as it was three years ago. Talking of putting my money where my mouth is, I own entry-level homebuilder stocks - LEN, TMHC, NVR.

The yield hunting thing is not anything new - has been the case for last 8 years at this point. I bring that up because cap rates were not as unattractive in Portland, say, 3 years ago. Or 5 years ago. Etc. And I would argue that the people searching for yield - institutional investors - are not buying du/tri/quadplexes. Institutional size properties, yes, but not something on this small of a scale. Mom + pop investors such as ourselves may on the margin be more inclined to buy something like that to get yield, but I would argue with the 10-year Treasury at 3%, and blue chip stocks like CAT yielding 2.5%, they headaches that come with being a landlord are not worth the extra 100 basis points - anyone who has been around this game long enough would agree with me on that, I hope.

This notion of "staying on the sidelines" being looked down upon is also not something I particularly care for...asset valuations (and life in general) is not black and white. Just because you aren't buying FB stock today doesn't mean you should be shorting it. 

What is going on in Southern Maine? Over the last 12-18 months, feel like valuations have gone hyperbolic. Looking at cap rates on some 2-4 units and there is actually stuff with a 3-handle on it! Most seem to be ~4.0-4.5%. And this isn't just in Old Port / Munjoy Hill / etc. It's all of Portland and even South Portland (not even stuff close to the water...)

I know inventory is tight tight tight down there, and that price appreciation is strong right now, but these are asks that are implying you wouldn't even get your cash back via NOI (assuming rent/expenses are steady state) for 20-30 years...

I personally think we are closer to a downturn in terms of broader macroeconomic trends than we are to an upswing...not expecting anything dramatic but we've been going on nine years running at this point. Makes it risky to buy something at 4% cap. And assuming we don't go into downturn, builders are eventually going to build more entry-level single-family product (which is what that market needs)...that's just supply and demand. 

What sort of price appreciation forecasts are people penciling in to make these deals work on the buyer side? Or are people just playing hot potato right now? Anyone else scratching their heads?