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All Forum Posts by: John Balzowski

John Balzowski has started 1 posts and replied 7 times.

Quote from @Keonnee Linnell:
Quote from @John Balzowski:

My first post on BP, I've been a lurker for a long time.

I sold my e-commerce company last year and have been doing some real-estate investing, I've bought and fixed up several personal homes over the years and have always wanted to get into real-estate investing.

I live in CA, and I bought my first investment property in Temple Texas at the beginning of the year.  I bought an enclosed trailer, loaded up my tools and drove out to Temple to re-hab the house.  I worked 57 days straight, about 12-15 hours a day remodeling the whole house, I did 95% of the work myself.  I paid 116k cash for the house, invested about 30k and have it rented out for $1,350/mo.

I bought another one while I was out there and went back at the beginning of April to do it all over again.  I again spent about 2 months working 7 days a week until I finished it.  I paid 160K cash for that one, spent about 30k again and have it rented for $1,895/mo. 

I also own a commercial warehouse in CA, I used to run my business out of it and now lease it to the new owners of the business.  I have an SBA loan on that one and it only cash-flows me a few hundred dollars a month.  I bought the warehouse in 2019 for 400k, and it's now worth about 720k, I owe about 320k on it.

My intent was to hold the houses I bought in Texas, and I'm satisfied with the return I'm getting on them for now.  My idea was to establish myself with some paid-off, cash flowing properties to make leveraging them for more investments a lot easier.

I'd like to flip some houses to generate some cash, but  even knowing what I know I'm struggling to see how to make money doing so.  I bought both of these houses cash, both were off-market wholesale deals and I did nearly all of the work myself.  With all that considered, if I had just been trying to flip the houses I don't see much profit in either one once I pay commissions to sell.  I see so many people flipping houses while contracting out all of the work and making decent profits, even when financing the deal.  I don't know what I'm missing here, am I simply in the wrong market to flip?


I've considered the Flip System guys, many people scoff at the 19k fee to get in, but if you look at the whole thing like buying a franchise it's actually not a bad setup if the deals really do yield what they say they are averaging.  

I still have a lot of cash on hand but don't want to keep putting it all out there, and I just feel stuck where I'm at not knowing what direction to go in now. 


 Are you thinking of Flipping houses in CA?


 If I could find the right deal yes, but seems much tougher out here.

Quote from @Drew Sygit:

@John Balzowski what no ones mentioning is an investor should understand Property Classes.

The numbers you've done in TX, appear to be for Class B properties. Could be CLass A, but you didn't share what the ARVs are.

Most investors finance 75-80% of a purchase or do a cashout refi to BRRR it.

Class A properties are almost impossible to cashflow with, especially with +7% mortgage rates.

Class B, you're lucky to cashflow these days, but can do it if you buy wisely.

Class C is what many investors are focusing on currently as they can cashflow from day 1, even with +7% mortgage rates.

The challenge is most investors targeting Class C for cashflow, don't take into account the corresponding lower-class tenants and all their associated challeges. Then, when their unrealistic expectations aren't met, they "freak out".

DM us if you'd like to know more:)


 Thank you for the reply Drew.

The first house I bought is a small, 1950 2/1 that I would consider a class B property.  While small/old, it's a block from Baylor Hospital and is a fantastic location for a rental. The house is nearly 100% new inside, and overall in very good shape.  I invested a bit over 150k into it and it's worth about 165k (rents for 1350).

The other house is a 1977 build 4/2, it's in a nice/quiet neighborhood.  I have about 180k into it and it's worth about 210k (rents for 1895).

These numbers are why I didn't see the value in flipping them, considering each one of them took almost 60 days straight of my very long days, but the time I paid agent fees I would net next to nothing on them.  My intent was always to hold them and I'm comfortable with the rate of return considering the value of the property, but this takes me back to my original question of not knowing how to flip effectively. 


I do worry about the quality of tenants on the class-C properties, but I'm also no stranger to this stuff so if that's what I have to get into in order to achieve my goals, so be it. 

Quote from @Bob Stevens:
Quote from @John Balzowski:
Quote from @Bob Stevens:
Quote from @John Balzowski:

My first post on BP, I've been a lurker for a long time.

I sold my e-commerce company last year and have been doing some real-estate investing, I've bought and fixed up several personal homes over the years and have always wanted to get into real-estate investing.

I live in CA, and I bought my first investment property in Temple Texas at the beginning of the year.  I bought an enclosed trailer, loaded up my tools and drove out to Temple to re-hab the house.  I worked 57 days straight, about 12-15 hours a day remodeling the whole house, I did 95% of the work myself.  I paid 116k cash for the house, invested about 30k and have it rented out for $1,350/mo.

I bought another one while I was out there and went back at the beginning of April to do it all over again.  I again spent about 2 months working 7 days a week until I finished it.  I paid 160K cash for that one, spent about 30k again and have it rented for $1,895/mo. 

I also own a commercial warehouse in CA, I used to run my business out of it and now lease it to the new owners of the business.  I have an SBA loan on that one and it only cash-flows me a few hundred dollars a month.  I bought the warehouse in 2019 for 400k, and it's now worth about 720k, I owe about 320k on it.

My intent was to hold the houses I bought in Texas, and I'm satisfied with the return I'm getting on them for now.  My idea was to establish myself with some paid-off, cash flowing properties to make leveraging them for more investments a lot easier.

I'd like to flip some houses to generate some cash, but  even knowing what I know I'm struggling to see how to make money doing so.  I bought both of these houses cash, both were off-market wholesale deals and I did nearly all of the work myself.  With all that considered, if I had just been trying to flip the houses I don't see much profit in either one once I pay commissions to sell.  I see so many people flipping houses while contracting out all of the work and making decent profits, even when financing the deal.  I don't know what I'm missing here, am I simply in the wrong market to flip?


I've considered the Flip System guys, many people scoff at the 19k fee to get in, but if you look at the whole thing like buying a franchise it's actually not a bad setup if the deals really do yield what they say they are averaging.  

I still have a lot of cash on hand but don't want to keep putting it all out there, and I just feel stuck where I'm at not knowing what direction to go in now. 


 Buy rentals with 10% or better net caps. I just closed (and closing on more) all in 75k, rented for 1500, no not the hood. 


 Would you care to share any more details?


 There are markets where you can get 10% or better NET based on cash purchases. 


 Are you referring to the Cleveland market?

Quote from @Becca F.:

Congratulations on the properties in Texas and doing the work yourself! 

I attempted flips in the Indianapolis area, made offers, but they didn't work out. The seller wouldn't accept a lower offer, the renovation cost was too high or ARV not high enough. I kept track of the properties another investor bought and they have had to lower the prices to flip it.

In my opinion flipping is rough right now with 7% interest rates. I see some people doing this successfully in the Bay Area and Southern California. I don't know what the Texas market is like for flips. 

I talked to someone from FlipSystem. So now it's $19,000 fee instead of $15,000...wow. When I talked to them most of their flip market is in the Midwest. I don't agree with their business model to do all that work and flip and profit $10,000 to $20,000 and that's before paying capital gains tax. May as well just put your money into HYSA at 5% without the stress and hassle. That profit margin is so small and could easily be wiped out with holding costs. 

What about doing buying another rental property? Instead of paying cash do 20% down so you're not tying up so much money on one property. I'm not a huge fan of paying cash since you lose liquidity. Another suggestion someone gave me was being the bank and act as a private lender at 8% to 12% interest - you would need to vet the investor and project carefully and financial transactions are done through a title company. 


Thank you Becca!

I agree that the payout on the FlipSystem type flips is minimal, and having done a lot of this work myself I know how easily a project can exceed budget by much more than those small earnings.  If it does work according to their model though, when you consider the actual cash you put into a project the rate of return is quite high.  If it really does work like they say it's a good deal if you have the stomach for remote-renovating, I don't know their markets well enough so I'm not educated enough to say.

I'm going to do a little more research on providing loans, I don't think that it's for me at this point but I've never looked into it much.

Quote from @Bob Stevens:
Quote from @John Balzowski:

My first post on BP, I've been a lurker for a long time.

I sold my e-commerce company last year and have been doing some real-estate investing, I've bought and fixed up several personal homes over the years and have always wanted to get into real-estate investing.

I live in CA, and I bought my first investment property in Temple Texas at the beginning of the year.  I bought an enclosed trailer, loaded up my tools and drove out to Temple to re-hab the house.  I worked 57 days straight, about 12-15 hours a day remodeling the whole house, I did 95% of the work myself.  I paid 116k cash for the house, invested about 30k and have it rented out for $1,350/mo.

I bought another one while I was out there and went back at the beginning of April to do it all over again.  I again spent about 2 months working 7 days a week until I finished it.  I paid 160K cash for that one, spent about 30k again and have it rented for $1,895/mo. 

I also own a commercial warehouse in CA, I used to run my business out of it and now lease it to the new owners of the business.  I have an SBA loan on that one and it only cash-flows me a few hundred dollars a month.  I bought the warehouse in 2019 for 400k, and it's now worth about 720k, I owe about 320k on it.

My intent was to hold the houses I bought in Texas, and I'm satisfied with the return I'm getting on them for now.  My idea was to establish myself with some paid-off, cash flowing properties to make leveraging them for more investments a lot easier.

I'd like to flip some houses to generate some cash, but  even knowing what I know I'm struggling to see how to make money doing so.  I bought both of these houses cash, both were off-market wholesale deals and I did nearly all of the work myself.  With all that considered, if I had just been trying to flip the houses I don't see much profit in either one once I pay commissions to sell.  I see so many people flipping houses while contracting out all of the work and making decent profits, even when financing the deal.  I don't know what I'm missing here, am I simply in the wrong market to flip?


I've considered the Flip System guys, many people scoff at the 19k fee to get in, but if you look at the whole thing like buying a franchise it's actually not a bad setup if the deals really do yield what they say they are averaging.  

I still have a lot of cash on hand but don't want to keep putting it all out there, and I just feel stuck where I'm at not knowing what direction to go in now. 


 Buy rentals with 10% or better net caps. I just closed (and closing on more) all in 75k, rented for 1500, no not the hood. 


 Would you care to share any more details?

Quote from @Joseph Bui:

Hi John, I'm based in the Seattle area, but do most of my investing in midwest markets (Memphis and Detroit). I've scaled to 9 doors and am in the middle of my first flip there. Lets connect and we can knowledge share about what I'm seeing in these markets.


 Thank you Joseph, I'm shooting you a message.

My first post on BP, I've been a lurker for a long time.

I sold my e-commerce company last year and have been doing some real-estate investing, I've bought and fixed up several personal homes over the years and have always wanted to get into real-estate investing.

I live in CA, and I bought my first investment property in Temple Texas at the beginning of the year.  I bought an enclosed trailer, loaded up my tools and drove out to Temple to re-hab the house.  I worked 57 days straight, about 12-15 hours a day remodeling the whole house, I did 95% of the work myself.  I paid 116k cash for the house, invested about 30k and have it rented out for $1,350/mo.

I bought another one while I was out there and went back at the beginning of April to do it all over again.  I again spent about 2 months working 7 days a week until I finished it.  I paid 160K cash for that one, spent about 30k again and have it rented for $1,895/mo. 

I also own a commercial warehouse in CA, I used to run my business out of it and now lease it to the new owners of the business.  I have an SBA loan on that one and it only cash-flows me a few hundred dollars a month.  I bought the warehouse in 2019 for 400k, and it's now worth about 720k, I owe about 320k on it.

My intent was to hold the houses I bought in Texas, and I'm satisfied with the return I'm getting on them for now.  My idea was to establish myself with some paid-off, cash flowing properties to make leveraging them for more investments a lot easier.

I'd like to flip some houses to generate some cash, but  even knowing what I know I'm struggling to see how to make money doing so.  I bought both of these houses cash, both were off-market wholesale deals and I did nearly all of the work myself.  With all that considered, if I had just been trying to flip the houses I don't see much profit in either one once I pay commissions to sell.  I see so many people flipping houses while contracting out all of the work and making decent profits, even when financing the deal.  I don't know what I'm missing here, am I simply in the wrong market to flip?


I've considered the Flip System guys, many people scoff at the 19k fee to get in, but if you look at the whole thing like buying a franchise it's actually not a bad setup if the deals really do yield what they say they are averaging.  

I still have a lot of cash on hand but don't want to keep putting it all out there, and I just feel stuck where I'm at not knowing what direction to go in now.