Hey Scott - I know this was posted six months ago, during the peak of the pandemic. But both pre pandemic, during, and at whatever stage we are at right now it has been an extremely....competitive market (in most of the country). Everyone is definitely in different stages of their investing journey. I think depending on which stage people are in they'll have more (or less) options to think creatively about how to grow their real estate portfolio. I know the 70% rule has been a challenge for me in this competitive market. You're definitely right. There are other, creative ways to finance deals. I'd love to see more opinions on this posts. I'd especially be interested in hearing from investors in the early stages of their investing journey. I think for those folks interested in "refinancing" after a rehab, or refinancing in general most hard money lenders, and most traditional lenders that will refinance are currently (and have been) providing 70% or in some cases 75% ARV cashout. Most of the folks on BP are probably believers in BRRRR to get the appropriate velocity out of their money. I think if that is your strategy...your going to have to at least be cognizant of the 70% ARV rule. Unless (and tell me if you do) know a lender that offers 80% or better on the refinance. Thanks for what you do Scott. Enjoy your posts and thought leadership.