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All Forum Posts by: Joe Liu

Joe Liu has started 12 posts and replied 55 times.

You nailed it. Looking for an area with 1%~ but still a lot of room to grow in appreciation. We have well exceeded 2005 market numbers in my area but I don't need the highest 3-5% return. I am looking for an area that others are also migrating to like most parts of Texas. Do you have any other links to reports that show population and job increases?

Thanks!

Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @CJ M.:

@David Abbate

Thanks. Not really sure what your point is though.

My point is, mainly for the OP to consider, that many of these areas you can "throw a rock" at still haven't recovered from their peak real dollar value back in 2005- despite the tailwind of a massive bull market in the last 8 years. The best Canton zip code I can see is 44718, which is only down about 7.6% where as 44710 is down 42%, since 2005, in real dollars. 

A person putting their money in a mattress would have 42% more buying power with it today than someone who bought a median house in 44710 in 2005.

I understand they've been collecting rent, but the OP needs to see the whole picture, including the appreciation loss, which is why many of these areas are priced the way they are regarding the 1% rule, which is what he was asking about. 

Hi guys, looking to start investing outside of my current city which is seeing about a 1/2% rule on the sales price. So a $400k house rents for $2,000 on average. Looking for other cities with decent size populations that are still seeing a 1-2% of the sales price in monthly rents. I know that is really broad but where are some areas that you guys are investing in out of state? Thanks!

Post: Getting phone numbers for distressed properties

Joe LiuPosted
  • Beaverton, OR
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 9

Hi guys, I just started getting lists of 90 day past due properties from my title company. However, they don't have a phone number or email address. I have ColeRealty resources to try and look up that information but I haven't had much luck. I am hearing that LexusNexus might be a good source as well as BeenVerfied. Before I just toss money at these places that don't let you do a test run, I thought I would ask the BP community if you guys have any had any luck with these vendors or other vendors? I know its going to be hard to find any source with perfect information, but I would be happy with even a 15-20% accuracy on the phone number/emails. Thanks!

Post: Need a realtor licensed in WA and OR

Joe LiuPosted
  • Beaverton, OR
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 9

Thanks Ratho for the recommendation! @andres piedra - I am a realtor only in the Oregon area, but I do work with a lot of relocation clients and can assist your clients. It really depends on if your clients are coming here to retire or if they are coming to the NW for a new job and if they want to be close to a certain area.

Post: Why should an agent want to work with you?

Joe LiuPosted
  • Beaverton, OR
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 9

I think for a lot of realtors, it comes down to a wiifm (whats in it for me). We know what’s in it for the investor but from a realtors stand point, the juice usually isn't worth the squeeze. I think if a realtor is working with a new investor, the wiifm comes into play heavily or vice versa, a veteran investor is working with a realtor who is new to working with investors and hates the amount of work they have to put in.

I've been on both sides and I think I wrote some things on this before, but this goes both ways. It also depends what kind of an investor you are. Are you only hunting just HUDS and bank owned and sitting around on a few wholesalers lists? Or are you a wholesaler who is mailing out yellow letters, calling or mailing on expired listings?

I would really look at your business model and see how a realtor might make money consistently from your business model. If you are that bank owned buyer with the 25% conventional loan hoping to get something and have a realtor drive you around to everything in the city for months on end, then yes, your realtor will not call you back.

So here is how I would approach a realtor. You can do coffee or just call them over the phone. Ask if they are interested in working with an investor and then talk about yourself and then talk about the wiifm and what you can do for them should they be interested. If they say yes, then tell them exactly what you would need them to do, such as run comps, possibly drive out to houses and let you in. Find a realtor that doesn’t have kids and obligations. You want a hustler who works all day and night. Not someone who is in bed by 9 pm and busy at soccer practice from 6-8. Find someone who owns a smart phone, can email or text you at all hours, and has docusign to shoot offers off. You want someone who is comfortable putting in 20-100 offers a week and doesn’t mind their phone blowing up with negative comments from bank listing realtors who are annoyed by the low ball offer you put in. Tell them you would like to a do test run for a few weeks and if you guys don’t mesh, then you guys will go your own way. That is quite a bit to ask, but you are basically entering into almost a partnership. So heres the wiifm part for a realtor to get him to do all of those nice things. You need to go to BAT for your realtor, as if it’s your brother in law who lives in your basement and he needs a job before he can move out and you are out there asking all your colleagues if they are hiring. If you have that kind of devotion to your realtor, they will have that devotion to you.

Wholesalers –

I hear this all the time on BP podcasts where you mail out yellow letters, meet the owners and find that they are better off listing the house. If that is the case, go to bat for your realtor. Tell the owner you know one of the best listing agents in city and if it’s ok with the owner, you will have them call them. If this starts leading to a lot of leads for your realtor, then I bet your realtor might even cover the costs of your yellow letters.

Flippers / Wholesalers -If you are an investor, obviously promise that you will list the houses that you flip with them but also let your realtor know that you will spread his name amongst the REI meetings for other investors who are looking for a good realtor. Realtors work on referrals and its big for them.

If you are a wholesaler, and you have a good deal that maybe you got as a bank owned that you put under an LLC (I don't know if this still works, I think Brandon ripped on this concept on this last time), and you are going to wholesale it off to a buyer, then TRY and package the deal with your realtor. It's simple, if you have a HOT deal that is getting the attention of multiple flippers, then sell it to a flipper with the condition that they use your realtor to list the house after they are done with it. Just say my realtor helped me find this deal and I made a deal with him that he would list it. There wouldn't be any paper work for this or anything. More of a "your word" sort of thing. If you are going to do this, make sure your realtor knows how to list a house. If you get a total newb realtor, it could be bad for your reputation. It's not hard to list a house, but look for a realtor who uses a professional photographer and will do an open house. Those are all big things that do help sell a house quicker and that is what we want when we flip a house. If you are a flipper without a license, then you won't care buying a wholesale deal with this condition. Even if your drinking buddy Larry who usually lists your house is a realtor, you still won't care. It's business and the inventory levels are small. If the deal isn't hot and you find a flipper who is personally licensed and they don't like that idea, then it is what it is and you tried, but at least you tried.

These are just a few things you can do. Don’t be offended if a realtor turns you down as you may turn down quite a few realtors yourself. This is no different than finding a contractor where some will do a bad job and some will do great. Interview several people as you are trying to build a solid team.

Post: Portland, OR Meetup!

Joe LiuPosted
  • Beaverton, OR
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 9

BTW - This is also the popular Brew Fest weekend in Portland, so for anyone that's not from the direct area of Portland, you should definitely check it out before the meet up!

http://www.oregonbrewfest.com/

Post: Portland, OR Meetup!

Joe LiuPosted
  • Beaverton, OR
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 9

Looking forward to this!

Post: Right of redemption law (in Oregon)

Joe LiuPosted
  • Beaverton, OR
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 9

Jesse, thanks for that response! I had to re-read that twice, but that all makes sense now! If you don't mind me asking, who did you talk to in Oregon to get the inner workings of that law down? Some people know just snippets of it but no one has ever gone into that detail.

Post: Having a tough time getting good comps

Joe LiuPosted
  • Beaverton, OR
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 9

Hey Junior, you should ask the realtors your working with as they should be the local experts. You are not going to find a lot of finished flip type comps. If you are find a similar comp that just doesn't have the upgrades, then you just need to figure out how much the upgrades are going to cost you and how much more you think you can get out of it. If you put in $10k of upgrades, then you should at LEAST get $10k back out, but you should be able to get more then that depending on the area and the upgrades you pick. Talk to the realtors and get there opinions. If your in the hood, it doesn't make sense to have $20k granite slab in the kitchen, so you really just need to figure out the market your in. If the market is a nice $350k type of market, then putting in a nice kitchen will be beneficial. I would talk to the realtors and get there opinions for the areas you invest in. Find a realtor who has a lot of listings who's been in the industry for a while and specialize in that area. They will be able to tell you what is the norm in the area and what sells quick. It might be something you have no control over such as a big back yard, or it could just be that hard wood floors and a nice granite kitchen sells quick. You will know if they specialize in that area if they have a bunch of listings in that area/county. Just ask them what there currently listing or have listed in the last 6 months.

I wouldn't go back more then 3 months right now. I just sold a house in November to a couple who was supposed to get married, and they didn't. They bought it for $340k and I was able to market and it for $370k a month ago, sold it and got them there money back after realtor fees. The market is going up fast, so if you use an old comp, you are pricing yourself low. That is my area though, I don't know you area, so definitely talk to the local realtors and see what they think.

Good luck!

Joe

Post: Hi from Newport, Oregon Coast

Joe LiuPosted
  • Beaverton, OR
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 9

Welcome Heidi! What is the name of the rental company? Us Portlander's are always looking for a weekend get away!