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All Forum Posts by: Joel Fine

Joel Fine has started 28 posts and replied 175 times.

Post: Need Advice on Buying Homes at Auction

Joel FinePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Leander, TX
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 264
Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Robert Campbell:

@Account Closed - can you elaborate on this a little bit:

Best Idea: Find a homeowner off market" that doesn't have the means or desire to fix up a property and do owner financing until you sell the flip.

Questions:

1. Do you mean finding homeowners who want to move, or are headed towards foreclosure, but can't afford to fix it up enough to sell?

2. If 1. is a Yes, what do you mean by 'owner financing'?

Generally, here is what I do, it is called Subject To

Actually, it is very lucrative. These are generally Not Fixers - Most sellers in this situation either:

1) have to sell quickly or

2) don't have enough equity to cover real estate fees, closing costs and other fees or

3) don't want to or can't afford to do repairs and or don't want to have people traipsing around their house or

4) have bought another place and are carrying two mortgages or

5) lost a job or have a medical emergency, etc or

6) are in pre-foreclosure and have to do something quickly or

7) are inherited with a mortgage and can't make the payment or

8) have a job transfer and need to sell quickly

I allocate $50,000 per property. The money I give a seller comes out of the $50,000 investment.

When I sell to a Tenant Buyer, since I am offering Terms that they otherwise can't get, I sell the property "As Is" for a "built in equity" of an additional $10,000 to $25,000 depending on the house. (I bump up the sales price what the value WILL be) then I get that (it is called "the back end" when they refinance or sell. The buyers are usually successful businessmen that can't get bank financing because they aren't W2. They have good income, money in the bank and want to buy a home.

I get a "down payment" up front of $20,000 to usually $25,000 then I get the monthly cash flow and then I get a "back end" equity payoff.

When I "Buy & Hold" and only rent it out, I have to take care of a tenant, fix the roof, replace the AC etc. Worry about them trashing the house, worry about vacancies. When I eventually have to replace the roof or AC it wipes out the profit from that house. The most I get up front is one month's rent. I continually have to find new sources of money for the next one, usually a bank. Bank's Stop Lending at 10 properties.

However, when I sell it to a tenant buyer, there are no real estate agent fees, I get $25,000 immediate cash, I don't have to worry about roofs, ACs, and tenants and I get the same cash flow. When the roof or AC goes, the Tenant Buyer owns the house, so he takes care of those. If the market tanks, my built in equity still exists. Each time I get a Tenant Buyer's down payment, that gives me Money to Buy the Next one and the Next one and the Next.

 Mike -

This sounds like a really powerful model for profitable investing. But I'm having trouble following your explanation. Would you be willing to go over it step by step on a sample deal? PM me if you don't want to hijack this thread. 

Post: Multifamily lender needed

Joel FinePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Leander, TX
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 264

I have the same questions... if you find good people and are willing to share, please let me know!

Post: Anybody use myhousedeals.com?

Joel FinePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Leander, TX
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 264

Hi,

I'm wondering if anyone in the BP community has used the website myhousedeals.com. They seem to have a lot of wholesale, foreclosure, and REO deals listed. They are pretty aggressive with their marketing - as soon as I signed up for a free account, I started getting e-mails about once a day telling me how much value I could get from a premium membership. It runs about $200 a year.

I have no affiliation with them, just wondering if anyone has feedback.

Joel

Post: Exceptions to the 1% Rule in Austin?

Joel FinePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Leander, TX
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 264

I faced the same challenge when looking for deals in Austin. I gave up and went to a market with better cash flow (Cleveland).

Post: Multi-family owners: what are you paying for water/sewer?

Joel FinePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Leander, TX
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 264
Originally posted by @Sean Dawson:

@Joel Fine, sorry didn't complete the first part.  it's avg. $96 per month water, and $183 per month sewer.  So if you wanted to break it down per unit it's $35 per unit total per month

 $35 per unit per month is not bad. I've heard others paying $75+ per unit.

Post: Multi-family owners: what are you paying for water/sewer?

Joel FinePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Leander, TX
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 264

Thanks for the replies.

@Austin Tam, sounds like your range is $60-$115 per unit per month. That gives me some idea.

@James Lusk, this is an absentee owner who inherited the property and just wants to get rid of it. It's been vacant for a while so I doubt he'd have any useful information even if he was inclined to help. I guess my best bet will be to ask the water company if they can dig up records from a time when the property was occupied.

@Sean Dawson thanks for the answer but I'm afraid I don't understand your numbers. $96 for the year for water - does that mean $12 per unit per YEAR? Or per month? Or something else? And $183 per month for sewer - is that for all 8 units or per unit? Per unit sounds more reasonable, that would be about $15 per month.

Post: Multi-family owners: what are you paying for water/sewer?

Joel FinePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Leander, TX
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 264

I'm in contract to buy a quad in Cleveland. It's my first property in the area. I know I'm on the hook for water & sewer. I'm wondering what I should budget for that expense. So, for those of you who own small multi-family in Cleveland  - what are you paying per unit for water & sewer?

Post: Property management suggestions in Cleveland area

Joel FinePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Leander, TX
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 264

I have the same question... guess I'll PM the folks who replied above 

Post: "Complaint resolution" clause: would like feedback

Joel FinePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Leander, TX
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 264

Thanks @Josh Loner and @Mike McCarthy for your perspectives. I didn't realize such clauses had been made invalid by law.

In any event, shortly after my original post, I simply dropped this firm from my list of candidates and found another Property Manager. There is no shortage of PMs who want my business and don't fear negative reviews in my part of Texas!

Post: New yorkers investing in Cleveland OH?

Joel FinePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Leander, TX
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 264
Originally posted by @Jeremiah Pedersen:

I live on the West Coast, sorry, not in NY. But I have 35 SFRs we're wholesaling in Cleveland if you're interested at taking a look. 

 I'm interested... message me?