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All Forum Posts by: Joel Florek

Joel Florek has started 35 posts and replied 521 times.

Post: 22 and loving every minute of it! 3 months into my first 4plex.

Joel FlorekPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Michigan City, IN
  • Posts 530
  • Votes 741

@Mecca Walker I have mine setup as an llc under my social security number rather then a tax ID number. I did not consult any legal advise before setting this up so you may want to  make some calls and seek some professional advice. Doing the paperwork is easy so I wouldnt pay others to do it, but you may want to pay to sit down with someone for a bit. There are also professional services that you can call and get advice for free so as around. 

Post: 16 Unit Appartment Building on a Lake, I WANT IT!

Joel FlorekPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Michigan City, IN
  • Posts 530
  • Votes 741

@Chris Cambridge I am looking into an option like this right now. Thanks for the tip!

Post: What would you do with a million dollars?

Joel FlorekPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Michigan City, IN
  • Posts 530
  • Votes 741

@Saberian Younger

As soon as that ruling goes through there is a potential for a flood of capital for inexpensive deals. However, I'm sure there will be a long list of rules to tag along with it. I think its foolish not to allow non-accredited investors the opportunity to invest given there are the proper restrictions on diversifying investments among multiple businesses and owners.

Post: 16 Unit Complex on a Lake, I want to Buy It!

Joel FlorekPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Michigan City, IN
  • Posts 530
  • Votes 741

@Michael Saberniak If it were a SFR or dueplex I would agree. The valuation is consistent with what things are appraising and selling for. Your not going to steal this property, but who ever picks it up will get a solid investment property that will provide consistent returns. I personally believe it makes sense at $600k to $640k. As you get into more units per building you begin to achieve economies of scale for certain expenses that you don't get with small properties.

Post: 16 Unit Complex on a Lake, I want to Buy It!

Joel FlorekPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Michigan City, IN
  • Posts 530
  • Votes 741

@Kevin Yeats I am always open to hearing options. Feel free to call. 906 239 2437.

Post: 16 Unit Complex on a Lake, I want to Buy It!

Joel FlorekPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Michigan City, IN
  • Posts 530
  • Votes 741

@Ben Leybovich

There is a very large hospital, university of about 9000 students, a few mines, and a growing number of businesses taking roots in our area providing engineering and manufacturing jobs. Tourism is also very significant in the summer fall and winter. Marquette has a restricted geography which has allowed the properties in the heart of town to increase in value by 50% to 100% over the past 15 to 20 years.

The major complexes are Curran and Company and Tourville. There are others, but not sure if they can get to the 100's you want. Curran and Company is new in the last 5 to 10 years. They have been building in blocks and haven't stopped adding. The lots fill up as soon as the buildings are up! Tourville is older but all brick buildings with well maintained grounds. The units aren't bad for their age as I have been in many due to friends living there.

I can talk all day about that town and whats going on. I am friends with many of the business owners due to being a member of the local yacht club and growing up in the town.

The town gets voted for being one of the best towns to live in again and again by different rating groups. It has been impressive to watch all the development and demand keep up.

http://tourvilleapartments.com/

http://www.curranandcompany.com/

Post: 16 Unit Complex on a Lake, I want to Buy It!

Joel FlorekPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Michigan City, IN
  • Posts 530
  • Votes 741

@Ben Leybovich If that's your game then Marquette MI will be the place you will want to look. Its where I want to get to investing(my home town). There are a few complexes at that level for the town and owned by locals who have built and built over the past 20 years. Rents are between $650 and $1000 for two bed units in Marquette.

Post: 16 Unit Complex on a Lake, I want to Buy It!

Joel FlorekPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Michigan City, IN
  • Posts 530
  • Votes 741

@Nathan W. I will be on a drive later this afternoon headed to a wedding and will listen to it then!

Unfortunately being 22 I have few close friends with the kind of capital required be a financing partner. Regardless of this deal I am starting to put together an investor packet that I can use for the bank or private lenders. I am trying to learn how to set up the self directed IRA loans as well, it has sounded like a great way to leverage peoples distrust for the stock market and desire for physical assets.

And your always welcome to come and take a trip to the great town of Iron Mountain to view the property! We have about 8 major employers that are all hiring at a rather significant pace for such a small town so the demand for rental units for the young professional/blue collar worker has gone up very steadily.

Post: 16 Unit Complex on a Lake, I want to Buy It!

Joel FlorekPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Michigan City, IN
  • Posts 530
  • Votes 741

@Ben Leybovich The owners of the building are selling all their assets to retire. This is one the last of about 6 rather large properties that they have been selling over the past few years. What will start happening is seeing more of the heating units going down which has been happening over the past few years looking into their maintenance records. Given our location no AC is needed in the building unless tenants want to put up their own window units which then is completely covered by their own expense.

I agree that $43,750 per door is too much. For my building I paid $31,250 per door which will end up being $37,000 per door after renovations. As I mentioned though, not nearly the curb appeal or amenities provided at this location. I wouldn't go in past $41,000 per door under my current assessment of the finances. These would need a much closer look before finalizing an offer and I imagine the $40k number would be more accurate.

And yes, there are items that would need to be addressed and reviewed. As a part of my property calculator I asses the taxes based on the appraised value if the taxes are currently lower. 

Another quality point to the building is its design requires very little maintenance relative to other similar properties. Lawn care is minimal and no common facilities for laundry etc. Each unit provides their own washer and dryer if they please. Trash pickup is very inexpensive in our area.

Under my current understanding of options raising capital through self directed IRA's or private financing at 8% for 15% of the purchase price would allow me to make enough money each month for the work to make sense. The other option that makes sense is setting up an equity partner who would front the money which I could setup an 8% preferred dividend or 50% of the operating income, whichever is higher(50% would be higher unless major maintenance issues).

Post: 16 Unit Complex on a Lake, I want to Buy It!

Joel FlorekPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Michigan City, IN
  • Posts 530
  • Votes 741

@Nathan W. My apologies on the original post, yes $700k is the asking price.