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All Forum Posts by: Joel Case

Joel Case has started 4 posts and replied 339 times.

Post: VA with no money down getting beat by all cash offers

Joel CasePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Ocean Springs, MS
  • Posts 348
  • Votes 301
Quote from @David M.:
Quote from @Joel Case:
Quote from @David M.:

@Joel Case

Hard money loans are for non-owner occupation...  They are like cash, but its still a loan...

Yes, its definitely still a tough market. What are you doing for your EMD (I realize you don't have much cash...)? Do you also have a home sale contingency?

$5k EMD, $2k appraisal gap, $15k over asking, $2k escalator clause up to $35k over asking, appraisal and inspection contingency. I could non-owner-occupy as my goal is to STR after 1 year of occupying. I just don't know the LTV of hard money lenders, etc.

@Steven Foster Wilson I am currently networking with real estate agents for pocket listings, off markets. Will be attending the next REIA meeting as well.

@Joel Case Oh, this is for an investment...  Well, I wouldn't blame your agent entirely as previously mentioned.  The other agent and even sellers sometimes have an aversion to federal loans.  Remember, they do require that "extra level" of inspection that just people are scare of passing --- its an emotion so its supposed to be irrational.  Also, lets face it, "cash is king."  If you were the seller, why would you want to put up with an extra level of approval when a cash buyer has nobody else saying whether or not the sale can go through.

As a first time investor (I am assuming here), hard money lenders I BELIEVE will still be looking for 20% to 25% down MINIMUM.  They don't want you walking away from it, and since its higher risk they need some cushion in case something goes wrong.  Also, hml are all short term loans, 6-12mo in general.  A "smart" hard money lender would pre-approve you for a long term loan to make sure it was a possible exit strategy.  Granted, if you tell them your intent is to sell, then why should they bother...?? hhmmm...


I am a buy and hold investor, the strategy is to use the VA, owner occupy for the year requirement, and then turn it over into a short term rental.

Post: VA with no money down getting beat by all cash offers

Joel CasePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Ocean Springs, MS
  • Posts 348
  • Votes 301
Quote from @Erik Browning:

Hey @Joel Case it's likely not you as they buyer/investor that is the issue, or that you are getting beat by all cash offers - it's the agent representing you. 

Older and more seasoned agents routinely were told that VA loans are not good loans because it requires them to do slightly more work. Specifically, the home has to pass and remedy (if any) active pest infestations. Additionally, these old guard agents don't like that the VA loan has an amendatory clause, which give you the right of pulling out of the deal - a contingency if you will.

There is A TON of misinformation regarding the VA loan, "it's more expensive, there are extra fees, appraisals are more strict." None of this is true. While fees are different than conventional, it is absolutely not more expensive (I'll show a chart below to demonstrate this) and VA loans get the best interest rates, no PMI, and best of all: 0% down payment.

If your agent is not winning you deals, it's because they are doing a bad job at seeking out information that serves the seller's interest. If the seller is only interested in 10 day cash closings - then maybe that home is not the best fit for you. Perhaps find homes where the seller is looking for a rent-back or the highest purchase price. Having an all-cash hard money loan is substantially more expensive and when you go to refinance, your loan will likely be 10's of thousands of dollars more than what the home is worth - don't do it. Get a new agent and have a discussion with them about finding the seller's motivation. THIS POST summarizes a conversation with an agent I had once.

Depending on where you are, I can recommend an agent that is an advocate for veterans and has a successful record of getting vets into homes.

Conventional vs. VA loan chart as promised (pay attention to Cash Required and Gain On Sale rows):

I read through your thread when you posted actually. I instructed my agent to find the seller's motivation and work towards that, she stated they didn't need any leaseback but I also feel that she may have done the bare minimum as I told her to find the seller's motivation and let them know that we would be accomodating to whatever it was they needed as we can be as flexible as we need to be. 

I have reached out to my lender to see if a fully underwritten pre-approval is an option after doing some research on my own. That should put me in a similar situation to a cash offer aside from inspection and appraisal. 
 

Quote from @Eunice Villarroel:

Hard money loans require 20%-25% down payment depending on lender. Totally out of your budget unfortunately.


I recommend you find a good realtor. Here are some things I’ve done to help me get my buyers accepted in the tough south Florida market that may help you too. You can sweeten the deal by offering a little more money (above ask offer) to seller, write a personal letter (about yourself, family, why you want the house etc.) to seller and attach to offer. As a real estate agent I’ve done that and it works sometimes. I’ve also gone straight to meet with sellers and just introduce myself and ask them about their goals to see if I can include terms into contract that would benefit them. Example- had a buyer that really wanted to buy a certain house. I drove by to see owners made friends and found out they wanted a certain amount of time to move after closing. My buyer and I wrote in an offer that gave them 20 days after closing to move out and I pitched in part of my commission to cover their moving costs. Offer accepted. Hope this helps :)

Thanks for that, the down payment would take me some time to come up with, so I will stick with the VA loan. I am going to write a letter in the future and try for an emotional appeal. I am also going to attempt to meet with the sellers and see how I can facilitate an easy sell for them.

Post: VA with no money down getting beat by all cash offers

Joel CasePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Ocean Springs, MS
  • Posts 348
  • Votes 301
Quote from @David M.:

@Joel Case

Hard money loans are for non-owner occupation...  They are like cash, but its still a loan...

Yes, its definitely still a tough market. What are you doing for your EMD (I realize you don't have much cash...)? Do you also have a home sale contingency?

$5k EMD, $2k appraisal gap, $15k over asking, $2k escalator clause up to $35k over asking, appraisal and inspection contingency. I could non-owner-occupy as my goal is to STR after 1 year of occupying. I just don't know the LTV of hard money lenders, etc.

@Steven Foster Wilson I am currently networking with real estate agents for pocket listings, off markets. Will be attending the next REIA meeting as well.

Post: VA with no money down getting beat by all cash offers

Joel CasePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Ocean Springs, MS
  • Posts 348
  • Votes 301

My wife and I are approved for a VA loan to owner occupy a property up to $500k but I am losing out to all cash offers. Work history is over 3 years on my job, 10 on hers for the same doctor, my credit score is a 720 due to ~$7200 no interest credit card debt. Before that debt it was 793. We currently have a home we paid $125k for 5 years ago and have $60k left on our principal with our 30 year mortgage. We have $11k saved in the bank to cover our closing costs, but that is slowly growing every month since we shifted from paying down our current home to saving for the next.

Do you believe it would be possible to get a all cash hard money loan for $300-400k so that I could make an all cash offer or would the LTV require me to bring more for a downpayment?

Post: Refrigerator recommendation please

Joel CasePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Ocean Springs, MS
  • Posts 348
  • Votes 301

Bought a brand new Samsung when I moved in and within five years the freezer was not freezing. 

Post: Do you let your STR tenants drive your car?

Joel CasePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Ocean Springs, MS
  • Posts 348
  • Votes 301

Yeah, that gen corvette usually doesn't have but about 200 horsepower, so why not. 

Post: How Do You Contact An Unknown Property Owner?

Joel CasePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Ocean Springs, MS
  • Posts 348
  • Votes 301

The Driving for Dollars app in the app store will give you the name, email, phone number, and mailing address of any property you put in. It gives you 5 for free, but after that you have to pay. I believe Propstream will do something similar, but I do not have any personal experience so I can't say for sure. 

Post: Tenants ignore lease renewal/increase letter

Joel CasePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Ocean Springs, MS
  • Posts 348
  • Votes 301
Quote from @Pamela W.:

My tenants' lease ends Aug 31, and although they pay on time and take care of the house, they have been high maintenance, literally, from day one, and their usage of heat and water is much higher as well. The cost of oil, water, and trash pickup has increased, so I increased the rent 8%, the rate of inflation, and sent a renewal notice stating the increase via certified mail with signature receipt, and they got it July1, 60 days before the end of the lease, as it states that either party must give 60 days notice. I asked them to respond by July 7... and I have heard crickets.
They have been highly communicative when they want to complain about something.
I am assuming they are trying to buy a house, as they were priced out last year and ended up renting from me, or they are looking for a better deal, unlikely from what I see, as there are no homes and few decent apartments for rent in the immediate area. I would not be unhappy to see them leave, but would like to plan for upgrades that really need to be done when the house is vacant, and that takes some lead time to setup. My question is, what should I do in light of their non response. Wait a few more days, or until the end of July to start texting them, or just tell them I plan to start showing the house as they have not agreed to the increase. 

You have sent notice of the increase, do you need a response in your state for the increase to be legal? If not, the second they do not pay full rent you follow your states process for eviction. 

Post: Is the HELOC a smart move with an upcoming recession ?

Joel CasePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Ocean Springs, MS
  • Posts 348
  • Votes 301
Quote from @Ben Cochran:

@Joel Case there’s no mortgage on the property. I paid $150k and it’s now completely paid off and cash flowing $1600/month. Minus property taxes, maintenance etc. of course.


 Ok, that's much better. I would honestly expect the rents to be higher in Colorado. 

Post: Is the HELOC a smart move with an upcoming recession ?

Joel CasePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Ocean Springs, MS
  • Posts 348
  • Votes 301
Quote from @Ben Cochran:

@Joel Case I'm a little confused. How is cash flowing $1600/month on a small SFH a bad investment?


On a $350k investment I would want to see monthly rents of at least $2500+. Maybe that doesn't work in your geographic location, but if so it might be time to look at properties elsewhere. Where I live I can go out and purchase any $200k 3/2 SFH and bring in $1500-2000 in rent a month. Closer to the 1% rule, which is where I would want to be.