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Neither will have to happen @Zeke Rosenblatt! Investors will have to adjust their expectations. Rates should come down a bit, but that only means upward pressure on prices.
The fat days are gone, welcome to the new normal. Talk to a real estate investor in Germany. Cash flow?? - Never heard of that. Their goal is to pay off the property over 30 years, with some help from a tenant. Still beats a savings account!
Get the best deal you can, while you still can. It does not help to say the deals don't pencil out if at the end of the year you have not met your acquisition goals and prices are up, again. I am in the same boat as everyone else as an investor and I don't like it either. It's frustrating.
If you think it's hard to find a good duplex, try looking for an apartment complex! While Milwaukee real estate prices are still about 40% lower than the national average, rents keep going up, demand for housing is very strong and: almost nobody is selling. But like I said, welcome to the new normal.
But it doesn't beat a savings account anymore.... that's the point. Deals are not penciling out and there are now alternatives. TINA is dead
I don't see free money (Fed funds rates of less than 2%) coming again unless we have another cataclysmic event, but to just buy property that you project will go up in value with ZERO cash flow while carrying all the risks just doesn't make sense. And with the investor pullback being so large I would say the consensus would agree with me.
What is TINA? Zero or even negative cash flow deals can make sense when you adjust your criteria, but it is not about appreciation. It is about paying down debt. For simple math you pay down a mortgage about 3% a year (less in the beginning, more later) and you are typically leveraged 4:1 or 3:1 so that is 9-12% ROI on your down payment. Eventually you will be cash flow positive and over a long enough period of time you will also see appreciation.
The exuberance of the last years is gone: free money from real estate, traveling the world on ATM style rental properties is no longer viable. In a way we have gone from a gold rush to a more reasonable economic situation - profits are finite now, not infinite. Will that weed out "investors"? Absolutely. You need now money to be an investor.
TINA is the acronym for There Is No Alternative.
But in that scenario, you are taking a lot of risk for very little return and like I mentioned there are alternatives now.
Let's say you bought a $200K house and you put 20% down and financed over 30 years at 6%. At the end of 3 years, you would have paid your mortgage down to $153k, from $160k. So that is a $7k return against your $40K investment over 3 years. That is a whopping 5.83% annual return, with all the risks still there. Plus, you have to work for that. Right now, there are Treasuries that are yielding 4.7% and AAA corporate bonds at 5% where there is no work, and the risk is either zero or extremely low.
So why would anyone take all the additional risk in buying new property, because there are more risks, for Net Risk Premium of just over 1%???
I am not advocating for selling what you have and investing all of into Bonds, but if you are expecting investors with any sense to buy new properties for that skinny of a return, God help em.