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All Forum Posts by: Jeremy Fenceroy

Jeremy Fenceroy has started 8 posts and replied 27 times.

Post: House Hack or 4plex as My First Purchase

Jeremy Fenceroy
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  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 21

@Kayla Givens, that is exactly what I'm working on in Phoenix myself. Just went under contract for a 4-plex, and plan on renting out the other units short-term while living in one. I am working on securing owner occupied (VA in this case) financing with a low rate, 0% down, and a 30-year term. Love househacking!

Post: MF Disaster Recovery

Jeremy Fenceroy
Posted
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 21

Thanks @Jake Kain and @Cade Olof.

Post: Househacking Short-Term Rental Quadplex in Phoenix, AZ

Jeremy Fenceroy
Posted
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 21

I am now under contract for this completely renovated 4-plex near downtown Phoenix! 

By occupying one unit I'm able to get 0% down, 30-year fixed, VA financing while renting out the other units as short-term rentals to generate cash flow that will cover my own housing expenses. Upon meeting my primary-residence requirement to secure the favorable financing, my goal is to use this property as a launching pad (no pun intended) for starting a location independent lifestyle, while having a home base to return to whenever I want to take a break from traveling and living abroad.

Expecting to close in early March. Any suggestions are appreciated as I've only been in Phoenix for a few months.

Post: MF Disaster Recovery

Jeremy Fenceroy
Posted
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 21

Investment Info:

Large multi-family (5+ units) buy & hold investment in Phoenix.

Purchase price: $762,500
Cash invested: $236,500

14-unit apartment journey from a turnkey cash-flowing investment, to a war zone, back to a well-run wealth-building asset.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

I picked up this property in 2015 after selling two long held SFRs that had quite a bit of equity. I was looking for a cash flowing property that could supplement my income after retiring from the Air Force just a few years earlier.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

I had been searching all over the country, in cities I had lived previously, for a MF property to invest in. My sister lives in the Phoenix area, so while visiting one summer I contacted a realtor to see what might be available here in AZ. Of the 6 properties the agent found that matched what I was looking for, only 2 warranted visiting, and this particular one had better numbers than any other property I had looked at anywhere. I offered a bit below asking and we settled somewhere in between.

How did you finance this deal?

This deal was financed as a 5/1 ARM (30 yr Amort) with a portfolio lender referred to me by my agent.

How did you add value to the deal?

The property was already turnkey, so no need to do anything. A few years later, however, my manager got sick and the property began a precipitous decline. 2 more property managers later, I had lost over half my tenants, had numerous squatters, significant vandalism and finally arson. I finally got a great property manager able and willing to work with me turn the property around. As of 2022 all units are occupied, the vandalism and crime have moved on, and we are cash flowing again!

What was the outcome?

I just finishing getting the place running smoothly again after multiple disastrous property management experiences. My plan was to continue to hold the property for the cash flow, but I recently got an offer for nearly 3 times what I paid for the property, so while the market is still blazing hot I'm now considering cashing out and investing in something bigger.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Stay on top of your property manager. Even if they've done well for years, life circumstances change, and can significantly affect their performance. You would be astounded at how quickly a well run and performing property can go downhill and become the bane of your existence. Lesson 2: thoroughly vet property management before bringing them on, make sure they are up to the job you have for them; and be willing to pay well for quality management.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

I can't say enough about Christine Shipley, Kristi Thames, Julian Pena, Brian Eaves, Lea Long, and the rest of the team at Dunlap & Magee. I brought them on board in April 2021 to manage the property when it was at it's low point with only 6 of 14 units occupied; squatters everywhere; vandalism and crime running rampant. By January 2022 security had been restored, most damages repaired, 100% of the units were occupied, and the property was cash flowing again. Very professional and capable team!

Post: MF Disaster Recovery

Jeremy Fenceroy
Posted
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 21

Investment Info:

Large multi-family (5+ units) buy & hold investment in Phoenix.

Purchase price: $762,500
Cash invested: $236,500

14-unit of 1BR & Studios that I purchased after another investor had fully renovated it and leased all units. The property is about 1/2 mile from downtown Phoenix and 15 mins from Sky Harbor Airport. All units have been rented to low-income tenants receiving assistance through voucher programs, and I plan to stick with low-income tenants to help alleviate the low-income housing stock in Phoenix.

The seller took over management after purchase and managed the property fairly well for the first few years, but then unfortunately he got sick and by the time I got another property manager in there we had lost a couple of tenants and the place was having security problems and vandalism. Over the next two property managers we lost over half of the tenants, had numerous squatters in vacant units, and significant gang and other illicit activity. During this past year I went from a smoothly running property to over 200 calls for service in one year by local police, a homicide, an exterior fire, and an interior fire set by a squatter. I am now on my 4th property manager, which is a company that specializes in low-income tenants and renovations, and I have high hopes for getting the property running smoothly again soon.

In April 2021 I got new fencing up to better control access, and in May I'm just finishing up controlled access for the courtyard, which allows access to all the units, and security cameras around the building, and for now we have a security guard in place to eliminate non-resident traffic and vandalism.

WIth only 4 of the 14 units currently occupied, over the next few months I am planning to put in $100,000 to repair and renovate the units. Along with the WiFi for the security cameras I am including a managed WiFi for the tenants many of whom can't afford home WiFi. As all utilities are included I am also planning to look into covering the roof with solar panels in 2022 as a more sustainable option and to offset extremely high electric bills over the summer.

Update: Feb 7th, 2022
By Jan, 2022 we had all units renovated and 14 of 14 units rented again. Before and after pics posted below. Just got an offer recently for nearly 3 times what I bought the property for 5.5 years ago, so considering selling. Happy to finally have this property turned around!

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

I picked up this property after selling two long held SFRs that had quite a bit of equity. I was looking for a cash cow that I could hold onto and get decent cash flow from to supplement my retirement income after retiring from the Air Force a few years earlier.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

I had been searching all over the country, in cities I had lived previously, for a MF property to invest in. My sister lives in the Phoenix area, so while visiting one summer I thought let me contact a realtor and see what might be available here in AZ. Of the 6 properties the agent found that matched what I was looking for, only 2 warranted visiting, and this one had better numbers than any other property I had looked at. Offered a little below asking and we settled somewhere in between.

How did you finance this deal?

This deal was financed as a 5/1 ARM (30 yr Amort) with a portfolio lender referred to me by my agent.

How did you add value to the deal?

The property was already turnkey, so no need to do anything. A few years later, however, my manager got sick and the property began a precipitous decline. 2 more property managers later, having lost over half my tenants, suffered squatting, significant vandalism and then arson, I finally got a great property manager in able and willing to work with me to turn the property around. As of 2022 all units are occupied, the vandalism and crime have moved on, and we are cash flowing again!

What was the outcome?

I just finishing getting the place running smoothly again after multiple disastrous property management experiences. My plan was to continue to hold the property for the cash flow, but I recently got an offer for nearly 3 times what I paid for the property, so while the market is still blazing hot I'm now considering cashing out and investing in something bigger.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Stay on top of your property manager. Even if they've done well for years, life circumstances change, and can significantly affect their performance. You would be astounded at how quickly a well run and performing property can go downhill and become the bane of your existence. Lesson 2: thoroughly vet property management before bringing them on, make sure they are up to the job you have for them, and be willing to pay well for good management.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

I can't say enough about Christine Shipley, Kristi Thames, Julian Pena, Brian Eaves, Lea Long, and the rest of the team at Dunlap & Magee. I brought them on board in April 2021 to manage the property when it was at it's low point with only 6 of 14 units occupied, squatters everywhere, vandalism and crime running rampant. By January 2022 security had been restored, most damages repaired, 100% of the units were occupied, and the property was cash flowing again. Very professional and capable team!

Post: Buying property with tenant inside - what must seller disclose?

Jeremy Fenceroy
Posted
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 21

Excellent info @Nathan G. Thanks for sharing!

Post: Phoenix Multifamily Advice

Jeremy Fenceroy
Posted
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 21

@Andrew De Michaelis I'm also looking in the 1-4 unit multi-family area right now. Just arrived in Phoenix a couple of weeks ago and am hitting meetups to network with people who likely have answers to questions like yours and more. Tomorrow I'm planning to attend a Meetup called Multi-family Monday - Networking and Educational Event in Scottsdale tomorrow, 1 Nov, at 6pm. I think they may focus on larger MF and syndications, but I'm thinking it may still be a good networking opportunity since many investors have portfolios that overlap across several property types.

I am not affiliated with the group, and this will be my first time attending this meetup, but it looks like it might be something useful to you.

Post: 30 yr or 10 yr fixed?

Jeremy Fenceroy
Posted
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 21

@Andrew Magoun I guess I'll be the contrarian here and side with the 10 yr fixed. This all depends on your goals, but comparing just the two options you describe, I think in most cases the 10 yr fixed would be better. There is security in knowing you've locked in a relatively low rate for 30 years, but 30 years is a long time and who knows how your goals might change between now and then. I suggest you plug both options into a mortgage calculator and compare. Then you'll see that for $300,000 the monthly payment will be about $60/mo higher for the 10 yr fixed with 20 yr amort. Over those first 10 years though much more of your monthly payment will go towards principal on the 10 yr fixed. After 10 years you will have paid just over $54,000 on your principal for the 30 yr at 5.25%, but you will have paid $125,000 on the 10 yr at 3.35%. That $60/mo more you were paying for the 10 yr will put a little bit of a drag on your cash flow, but over 10 years, that adds up to only $7,200. Unless you feel certain you will hold onto the property for much longer than 10 years, AND that interest rates will definitely be a lot higher in 10 years, the 10 year option makes more sense. Note: this math changes if you can find a 30 yr with a more competitive rate.

Post: BRRRR Location Advice

Jeremy Fenceroy
Posted
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 21

@Kim Ehardt BTW: if you have $250k in cash, consider leveraging that. You could easily (and conservatively) work a deal on a $550-600k duplex to quadruplex in a decent area while keeping cash in reserve for renovations. If you can find this deal with an ARV of $800-850k you've got all the ingredients for the perfect BRRR.

Post: BRRRR Location Advice

Jeremy Fenceroy
Posted
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 21

@Kim Ehardt I'm actually in a similar position to you. Just did a cash out refi on a property and am selling my house in Arlington, TX. With some cash in my pocket I'm planning on moving to the Phoenix market. Still great growth rates, and although AZ does have income tax, the property tax rates are MUCH, MUCH lower there, as are insurance rates. I plan on doing multi-family with the option to do short term rentals. Texas is proving to be rather hostile towards short term rentals, while Phoenix is very welcoming to STR owners.

There are tons of great markets out there, and you can make it work in just about any of them by adapting your strategy. Just sharing my preference at this particular moment.

Best of luck to you!