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All Forum Posts by: Jonathan Edmund

Jonathan Edmund has started 13 posts and replied 55 times.

Post: Myrtle Beach & North Myrtle Beach South Carolina Wholesalers

Jonathan Edmund
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  • North Myrtle Beach, SC
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 38

Hey Shane,

I am a Realtor/Lender/Investor based out of North Myrtle Beach. I'm not currently a wholesaler but I'm always looking for deals whether on or off market. Starting to see some anxious sellers in our market here. Reach out anytime if I can be of any assistance at all. Definitely going to be some deals to be had in our market! 

Post: Financing and Purchasing Under New LLCs

Jonathan Edmund
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  • North Myrtle Beach, SC
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 38

@Jennifer Wilson Thanks for the advice I'll take with my accountant than proceed from there. But that's a good plan!

Post: Financing and Purchasing Under New LLCs

Jonathan Edmund
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  • North Myrtle Beach, SC
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 38

@Nate Sanow yea the s Corp has saved me a ton of tax money and I don’t have to file quarterly like 1099. I avoid paying self employment tax on about 85% of my income. It’s awesome. Thanks for the advice as well. 

Post: Financing and Purchasing Under New LLCs

Jonathan Edmund
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  • North Myrtle Beach, SC
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 38

So I operate my real estate business as a Realtor in Myrtle Beach under an S corp for tax purposes and pay myself a salary. I also recently bought a rental under my S Corp. I paid cash so I'm going to move it into it's own LLC. When you put a property into an LLC, can you still have the rental checks go to the old s corp in my situation and still own the unit under a different LLC. I'm only doing it for liability purposes. Moving it is the easy part on that one because no mortgage.

Now I'm looking to buy more rentals but not pay cash so I can leverage my money. I don't want to keep putting all my properties in the same corporation that I'm running my business out of. I'd like to have an LLC for every single unit I own. How would one go about buying a property and moving it into an LLC after the fact. Most banks won't let me finance a property under a new LLC with no income history so I'm trying to figure out the best way to do this to protect myself and my investments. Since I'm using the LLCs just for holding property, I'm assuming I don't need to establish EINs and everything just get the LLC established?

I guess this is more of a tax question than anything. Any guidance here would be greatly appreciated. I just don't want the loan to be called because I moved a property after the purchase. 

Post: Cashflow or Cash on Cash Return?

Jonathan Edmund
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  • North Myrtle Beach, SC
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 38
yep totally understand I appreciate all your input 

Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @Jonathan Edmund:
yea I was just looking for opinion here. The amount of cashflow isn’t as important to me as how quickly I recoup the cash so I can keep purchasing. I was just really looking for people’s opinions regarding their preference because I hear some people say always buy cash but I look at financing as paying little cash and having a tenant pay the rest. You just don’t cashflow as much up front but can buy more units to offset that reduction. Am I wrong in that thinking? 

Originally posted by @Andrew Frowiss:

@Jonathan Edmund I have to agree with @Joe Villeneuve in his reply. I would side on putting down %20 and using your funds on getting your next deal. Having cash allows you to do other things like finance flips for other investors. If you have money after you can use it on your next deal, or partner with other investors. It all depends on what your investing goals are. I don't try and get rich off 1 deal, and instead am always looking for the next one as this wont be my last.

Part right, and part not so right.

When you put down 100%, you are getting $329/month in CF, but it takes a lot longer to make a profit since you have to recover all of your cost (which is just your cash), before profits are made.

When you only put down 20%, your cash flow may only be $167.month for that same unit, however, if you started with the same amount of cash in both cases, you could buy 5 of the same property...at $167/month each, so your CF total, on using the same starting cash as the 100% cash option, would be 5 x  $167/month = $835/month.  Now, which one has the better CF, which one costs you less, and which one allows you to start to profit faster?  The answers for all three are the same.

Post: Cashflow or Cash on Cash Return?

Jonathan Edmund
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  • North Myrtle Beach, SC
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 38
yea I was just looking for opinion here. The amount of cashflow isn’t as important to me as how quickly I recoup the cash so I can keep purchasing. I was just really looking for people’s opinions regarding their preference because I hear some people say always buy cash but I look at financing as paying little cash and having a tenant pay the rest. You just don’t cashflow as much up front but can buy more units to offset that reduction. Am I wrong in that thinking? 

Originally posted by @Andrew Frowiss:

@Jonathan Edmund I have to agree with @Joe Villeneuve in his reply. I would side on putting down %20 and using your funds on getting your next deal. Having cash allows you to do other things like finance flips for other investors. If you have money after you can use it on your next deal, or partner with other investors. It all depends on what your investing goals are. I don't try and get rich off 1 deal, and instead am always looking for the next one as this wont be my last.

Post: Cashflow or Cash on Cash Return?

Jonathan Edmund
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  • North Myrtle Beach, SC
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 38
the 19% can be converted into a number though. My questions is just would you rather on this particular unit prefer to have maximum cash flow or minimum cash invested for a quicker recoup of the money. Both options work, the unit cash flows and once lease runs out I know I can get 750-800 all day. My questions was more of what’s your preference. Not trying to necessarily compare and contrast rate of return and cash flow. 

Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @Trenton Miller:
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:

You're using the wrong numbers to make your comparison.  Trying to compare % to a $$$ number is like trying to compare apples to oranges.  Aside from the fact percentages tell you nothing of value.

There is nothing to compare here.  The two numbers you need to look at are not in conflict with eachother.  The two numbers you need to use work together.

How much cash flow do you have, and how many years it will take you to recover your cash.  The higher cash flow by paying all cash isn't a plus.  By paying 100%, it will take you much longer to recover all the cash you spent, and that added cash flow you think you are getting is an illusion.  When the tenant pays your mortgage, and you only have to come up with 20% of the money in cash, you can recover your cash much faster.  That added cash flow you're getting, you are paying for.  

 I agree 100%.  If you can gain possession with only 20% down and still have positive cash flow, you will be able to recoup your investment much quicker with much less upfront capital.

Too many investors focus on percentages instead of dollars, and they completely misunderstand the difference between "total cost" and the "Cost to the REI". They are NOT the same.

Post: Cashflow or Cash on Cash Return?

Jonathan Edmund
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  • North Myrtle Beach, SC
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 38
you are correct. It’s listed at 55 and my goal would be a 45k purchase. Yes conventional mortgage is tough on this price range under 50k. But if mortgage wasn’t an issue, would you prefer the cash on cash return at 19%? 

Originally posted by @Aaron K.:

I don't know the details but I'd guess cash is better in this case, because from the sound of it this is a low cost unit ($45k total?) that you may have trouble getting an individual mortgage on anyway.  That would be the only reason though.

Post: Cashflow or Cash on Cash Return?

Jonathan Edmund
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  • North Myrtle Beach, SC
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 38

I am looking at buying a property in my market. It's just an efficiency condo and it's currently rented for $700 a month. Tenant in place through May 2021. I ran my calculations on it and if I purchase it and put 20% down, I'm looking at a $167 a month cashflow after factoring in taxes, mortgage, HOA fee and costs that vary. But my cash on cash return will be 19%.

If I pay cash for the unit, I can cashflor $329 a month but my cash on cash return is only 8.5%. Since rates are so low right now, would it make more sense to finance it and keep my cash so I can try to get another unit sooner, or is there a good reason why going cash makes more sense in this case?

Post: Myrtle Beach, SC investing with multi family

Jonathan Edmund
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  • North Myrtle Beach, SC
  • Posts 55
  • Votes 38

Hey Clark!

I'm an agent in the Myrtle Beach area. I am originally from the area and can definitely assist you with your search for properties. I have dealt with quite a bit of multi family so feel free to reach out to me anytime!