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All Forum Posts by: Jim Spatzenfeld

Jim Spatzenfeld has started 4 posts and replied 272 times.

Post: HELOC with proof of income

Jim SpatzenfeldPosted
  • Investor
  • Buffalo NY & Sacramento CA
  • Posts 281
  • Votes 240
Quote from @Sam Yin:

@Salomon Utrera

Without know more of your personal financial details, life status, goals, and risk tolerances, I can only offer advice based on your posts...

Consider selling the property. Take all the money and purchase a small multifamily using DCR loan. Live in one unit. Make sure that property cash flows. Meanwhile, get a side hustle or full time job to generate W2. After one to two years, you should be able to gain enough momentum to begin to acquire more real estate. Once it gets going, the capital will snow ball enough to get into those STRs that you want.

This would allow you a place to live while making some cash flow to add into your taxes. The side hustles will accelerate your savings and add into your taxes. Living extremely frugal will save you more capital and build better habits. 1 year, or even 3 years, goes by like the blink of an eye.

There may be other options. But I do not know your exact situation. Without a job income, it will be tough to get your HELOC and/or make another purchase. Others may tell you to find a deal and find partners. Some may tell you to look for owner financing, etc... the plan I laid out is one that I can see is most achievable and realistic before. The others are speculative and if you have never done them, you will likely get discouraged by roadblocks.

In any case, best of luck. Hopefully some may have something solid or may be you can share a bit more detail.


As far as I know, you are not allowed to occupy a unit in a DSCR financed property. They are strictly business investment loans and are not allowed for primary or secondary personal residences.

Post: ADU on MFR zoned lot in California

Jim SpatzenfeldPosted
  • Investor
  • Buffalo NY & Sacramento CA
  • Posts 281
  • Votes 240
Quote from @Erik Browning:
Quote from @Jim Spatzenfeld:

Does anyone know if I can add an ADU on a lot that is zoned multifamily? I'm trying to save the water and sewer connection fees and traffic impact fees (~$70k just for these two fees alone) that would otherwise apply.


 Yes, you can, but you need to speak with the city to make sure your property can handle it. I'm a lender here in CA and can tell you that state wants more housing. There are even incentives for homeowners to use the state's funds to help with the construction - even on multifamily properties. 

Not all properties are equipped to handle them though. If you have a septic, you might need to upgrade the septic. If your property does not have enough square footage to support a habitable unit, it will be denied due to code violations. If you want a JADU, they require that you continue to live in the property. 

It all just depends on your situation.

Most people that want to build an ADU typically don't have enough cash to do so, however. And when they try to get a HELOC, they quickly find out that the cash they can access from their home is simply not enough for construction. Again, it all depends on your property and access to capital, but yes - multifamily is ok.


Thanks for the response. It’s currently a vacant lot, almost 1/2 acre. Seems to me they want to discourage development through excessive fees. I want to build 8 apartments. Just alone the water department fees to connect water+sewer (which is right in front of the lot) they charge just under $400,000 (almost $50k per unit). Traffic impact fees for 8 units is $136k. So just the fees + building permit alone add up to around $600,000

Post: ADU on MFR zoned lot in California

Jim SpatzenfeldPosted
  • Investor
  • Buffalo NY & Sacramento CA
  • Posts 281
  • Votes 240

Does anyone know if I can add an ADU on a lot that is zoned multifamily? I'm trying to save the water and sewer connection fees and traffic impact fees (~$70k just for these two fees alone) that would otherwise apply.

Post: SF Bay Area Housing Prices Suffer Largest OneMonth Drop On Record

Jim SpatzenfeldPosted
  • Investor
  • Buffalo NY & Sacramento CA
  • Posts 281
  • Votes 240

So now it’s only 1.4 million instead of 1.5 million for an old rotten 3BR / 1 bath shack along the freeway? Let me take 5 please, or no, make it a dozen, it’s a heck of a deal!

Post: Do you cash out now and hold the money until something good comes

Jim SpatzenfeldPosted
  • Investor
  • Buffalo NY & Sacramento CA
  • Posts 281
  • Votes 240

Take the money out now and let your tenant make the payments. If the market nosedives your $100k equity might evaporate real quick and you would have lost your opportunity to pickup something cheap down the road.

Post: Hard Money lending in my area

Jim SpatzenfeldPosted
  • Investor
  • Buffalo NY & Sacramento CA
  • Posts 281
  • Votes 240

What is your hard money loan exit strategy if in worst case the market nosedives and this property only appraises for $425k in a year from now?

Post: Kitchen added in basement, no permits

Jim SpatzenfeldPosted
  • Investor
  • Buffalo NY & Sacramento CA
  • Posts 281
  • Votes 240
Quote from @Michael Gessner:

…….you will have to hire licensed contractors for each trade to certify all is up to code….


That’s false information. Maybe true in many municipalities in New York, but here in California (and probably Utah as well) the owner can do all work himself without any licensed contractors. 

Post: Faster payoff, yearly lump sum or monthly?

Jim SpatzenfeldPosted
  • Investor
  • Buffalo NY & Sacramento CA
  • Posts 281
  • Votes 240

Some people here do not even know the difference between principle and principal. As for my personal investment strategies, it is my principle to pay down as little principal as needed! Can you see the difference between the two words now?

Post: Faster payoff, yearly lump sum or monthly?

Jim SpatzenfeldPosted
  • Investor
  • Buffalo NY & Sacramento CA
  • Posts 281
  • Votes 240

How about doing exactly your plan with a $100k bonus by changing just the 1st year's plan? Only in year 1 you make a change, all following 9 years you pay down exactly as you said you would. In year 1 you take the $120k cash as the down payment + closing costs for a new additional $400k rental. You lose your first year of $120k principal reduction, which adds compounded over 9 years = $69k interest to the end of your loan. In year 10 you sell the $400k house that you bought in year 1 (let's say it appreciated only by a low 3.5% every year) for $564k. $164k profit, use $69k that you still owe on your paydown, leaves about $100k extra profit, and you pay the capital gains tax + closing costs with all the cash flow that you saved up over the 9 years.

With the current rate of inflation, you might not be able to survive in the year 2032 with “only” 45k in positive cash flow.

Post: A recession is coming and maybe as early as summer

Jim SpatzenfeldPosted
  • Investor
  • Buffalo NY & Sacramento CA
  • Posts 281
  • Votes 240

2000-2009 was the decade with the most homes ever built in the US