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All Forum Posts by: James Campanaro

James Campanaro has started 1 posts and replied 8 times.

Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:

James, this is probably not what you want to hear: It comes down to the fact that you don't really know what you want (rent of sell) and now it comes down to pleasing your ego. 

You are obviously overpriced - 3 weeks without an offer is a pretty clear indication - the appraisal just confirmed what you already knew (and you call "trail blazing"). The process is designed to establish fair market value via offers and then as a last check via appraisals. How many buyers looked at your listing and found it to be not worth it, either by not making an offer or by not even seeing it in person. 

This is how you establish fair market value.

Options: if you don't want to accept fair market value, reject their proposal and go back on the market. The market is not going to soften in the next weeks, but you are now damaged goods, because you have been under contracted before and everyone knows it. 

Very likely, if you get another offer, it will be below asking. And it will probably be contingent to an appraisal as well and you don't know how that comes back, same, higher - or less. Bottom line: you have a greater thna 50% risk that you will net even less.

So just take it off the market, apologize to your listing agent for wasting their time and rent it out. You probably should have done that to begin with!


 No not really overpriced - as the other asking prices are 10 to 20k higher then our place and they haven't really done squat with there houses. I have put a lot into this house because we were going to use it so I ended up doing a lot of the important updates. But yes Rent or Sell - I should have listened to my gut and rent it out - and not listen to someone who really has no investment sense - Use the house for a good rental income and build from there. 

Quote from @Nate Sanow:

I would say in brief if you don’t work with this buyer, there is the possibility the next appraisal is actually less. Speaking from some experience there, unfortunately. Yes that’s happened to me. It’s obviously your call just a different perspective as the hope would be if you didn’t come down in price or if you challenged the appraisal that you’d get more but it doesn’t always work out. (But it could!) 


Leaning on keeping it now and calling it off before I hear back the challenge - rent it out and get a solid income of 2500 to 2900 a month. Or STR air BnB

Quote from @Jon Kelly:

@James Campanaro This is a tough situation especially because of the sentimental value tied to your grandparents home. 

I would 100% keep it as a rental. I'm assuming you'll need to put some money into it since portions of it is likely outdated (if it's anything like most grandparents homes). After renovations you should consider refinancing and using the money to fund your next investments. You'll be a flourishing REI in no time!

If you want to sell I would try to negotiate with the buyer since you already have a buyer and you're only $10k off. 3 weeks and NO offers in this market tells you it was priced near the top (or above) of market value. 

I would say you're willing to drop it $2.5k and you'll probably settle on $5k. The buyer 100% has at least $2.5 to spare based on their original offer and they can find more funds if they want the property. Think about their initial offer: assume it's $200k. They assumed they will put 25% down ($50k). Appraisal comes in at $190k so they need to put down 25% ($47.5k). $50k - $47.5k = $2.5k. Same is true if the offer was $400k (25% = $100k down payment). Appraisal is $390k (25% = $97.5k down payment). 


 Now leaning towards keeping it and renting it - Thanks for your input too. I appreciate it! 

Quote from @Dave Jensen:

i'd keep it if it's generating cash.  why are you selling it?  does it have expensive repairs needing to be done?  since it's paid off, it's got equity you can take out and use to pay down debt, complete upgrades on that property if needed, or pay down debt of your beach house, whatever.  or better yet, buy another income asset and use the excess income from that place to pay off your beach house or debt.  what you have is a resource.  in this world, keep the resource and use it with leverage to incrementally grow your income.

1000%. im starting to see I need to keep it - and play it like a smart investor - 
Quote from @Nate Sanow:

I would say in brief if you don’t work with this buyer, there is the possibility the next appraisal is actually less. Speaking from some experience there, unfortunately. Yes that’s happened to me. It’s obviously your call just a different perspective as the hope would be if you didn’t come down in price or if you challenged the appraisal that you’d get more but it doesn’t always work out. (But it could!) 


 My Agent has challenged it. What upsets me is that last week during the "inspection" she was talking to the buying agent as to how crazy the market is and its going to get crazier as interests rates may rise slightly - but people are rushing to buy like mad.......

Then yesterday she tells me I will be loosing money if I don't sell at 350k  SMH - Im not loosing at all! the house is paid for and I have done all repairs possible except for flooring - Other then that the house is perfect. I had it priced right for the market as other houses are priced well above mine. I need to start thinking more like an investor as I originally should have listen to my gut feeling and rent it out - gaining all that income to help buy another rental property and get out of CC Debt too. (it will be a slow process but I can do it) 

Quote from @Dave Jensen:

i'd keep it if it's generating cash.  why are you selling it?  does it have expensive repairs needing to be done?  since it's paid off, it's got equity you can take out and use to pay down debt, complete upgrades on that property if needed, or pay down debt of your beach house, whatever.  or better yet, buy another income asset and use the excess income from that place to pay off your beach house or debt.  what you have is a resource.  in this world, keep the resource and use it with leverage to incrementally grow your income.


 Your correct - No. major repairs needed - they are all done! LOL the house is perfect and super solid!  and it appraised at 350k so yes i'm starting to see a lot of people say - RENT IT - Keep it - the reason why I put it on the market is that I was listening to others who are not financially savvy in owning and holding rental properties but are the avg. person who buys and pays it off or borrows against there property. I was seeing the short term - use the net profit to get out of Debt and buy another place for my mother - and build from there (Of course after paying the capital gains tax too which wouldn't be that much). Starting to see we will be better off holding onto the property and using it as a source of income.  

Quote from @Bill B.:

My last purchase I made an offer for $305k on a $315k property. It appraised for $285k and that’s what I paid. Nobody expects you to be sitting on $20k, even if you are. 

Take a survey of 2.0 homes buyers and ask how many have an extra $10k sitting around, I bet it’s around 10- 20%. Americans tend to buy what they can afford. They tell their realtor how much they have for a downpayment. The realtor works backwards to the most they can pay, and that’s the houses they look at. Because they will be the nicest they can buy. That’s why they ask for closing costs, they don’t have any cash. 

I’m not saying you have ti lower the price if you have more buyers, only if you want to sell to these buyers. If it’s priced right you should have 5-10 offers within a week. If you’re not getting other offers while you contemplate this one, are you going to lower the price $10-$20k in a couple weeks or turn it in to a rental?

I was going to say tell them you need a week to see if any other offers come in. But then if they don’t the buyers may get cold feet thinking they are overpaying. After all, you can’t even lower the asking price $5k or you’re going to end up losing money when the next buyer’s inspection report finds a problem. GL either way. 


 Good morning Bill and thank you for the reply: 

The avg. asking price around the neighborhood is well above what I asked for. The avg. for 3/2/2 1700 sq ft. with 10k-15k sq ft lot was asking as high as 385k down to 360k - After a ton of upgrades I did the past 2 years because we thought we would be keeping the place and living there from time to time.......New Roof 2019, New AC unit, line set and break out box with a special filtration system and a UV Bulb in 2020, new gutters during the new roof. Custom French drain system gravity feed by the gutters and diverts to drain out at the front covert of the property. new driveway with new covert drain pipe (should have been done by the city but thats another story) New AO smith energy efficient hot water heater, complete new plumbing through out the house, new shut off valves in all bathrooms, New specially designed toilets (Love these toilets!! LOL) and pessary shut off valves and new plumbing - kitchen etc. new fixtures with the new sinks, new soft close cabinets in kitchen and large stainless chief style sink with custom granite counter tops. The same slab was used to provide the granite counter tops for the new vanities in the bathrooms with the same style matching soft close cabinets so it all flows and matches. All done fall 2021. New stainless kitchen appliances. Then we move to the electrical. COMPLETE NEW electrical Square D box, new 220v lines for the new over head microwave, oven and dishwasher. New circuit for the garage door opener, new LED lighting and circuits for the garage, Flush mounted LED lights (disable) for the the kitchen, New led lights for walkways, hallways, bathrooms etc. New Flush mounted LED lights on its own separate circuit for outside lighting on a day and night timer that is motion detection ( so when you pull up in the driveway the place lights up the night sky) Probably close to 10k in electrical. All outlets inside and outside replaced! all switches inside and outside replaced.....new door led (fancy) light fixtures. All done summer/fall 2021 - Lets see what else....Oh yes outside painting Spring of 2021, updated landscaping just last month. The only thing I didn't do was new floors and they need to be done - and interior painting (some was done) 

Oh and had new circuit installed to float mount the new TV for my mother in the family room, pressure washed/cleaned the porch and painted it.......I know I'm missing something but all in all - we did a lot of the important stuff. New Roof, New AC, New Drive way and covert, New French drain system all around the entire house, new exterior paint, New extensive electrical....(which the inspector for the buyers said he was super impressed with the electrical) never seen such a clean and detailed install. The electrical contractor is a friend of mine and it still cost me close to 10k for all the work! it was a lot of work done.....took over a month - 

So my asking price was 359,900 and they came in at 360k - I accepted and the next day they had an inspector on the spot as if it was pre planned - then the "rush" appraisal 2 days after - that comes back at 350k - My thoughts are if you agree on a price you stick with it......Of course I wanted more. I know the median rent is awesome IF we rent and so is the STR for the area...( I already had it researched)..I can set it up to stream line it for STR / Air BnB and would probably make a killing - daily rentals for this house in that area are a low of 200 a night up to 400 or even 500 (but we do not have a pool - I can get one installed down the road if I keep it and want to continue Air BnB.

If his bank said 350k his down payment will be slightly less - he will have the extra money but something just isn't right in my gut so im starting to lean towards keeping the property - get the floors done for 8k - finish the inside painting, maybe get rid of the popcorn and up grade the door handles inside and hinges to give it that extra good look - then rent it STR air BnB or long term at 2500 to 2900 a month (which isn't bad at all) - and use it as leverage for a rental property for a duplex near me and house hack it renting out the one door and put my mother in the other one. Start to build my rental portfolio from there. I just want to get out CC Debt quickly and selling the house will definitely do that around 70k cc debt. not including my new truck at 54k which is currently a 0%/72 month loan (basically a free loan) and my wife's at 4.7% principal - 36k - thats my main concern right now - I know Dave Ramsey would be having a fit at me LOL -

Got a question for anyone:

After having my grandparents home on the market for roughly 3 weeks and several viewings later with NO offers - we get one offer for $100 dollars above asking price LOL - ok so I accepted - house inspected the very next day as if they had it planned which was odd - then the "Rush" appraisal a few days after that. Comes in 10k under what we contracted for. I am not budging but my agent thinks im nuts - No comps in the area to really support it but other houses are listed for well above what I was asking! nothing has really sold yet. So I am trailblazing. Do I agree to the 10k minus price and put my tail between my legs....or offer 5k off and they pay all closing costs so I regain some of the money on the table. If I agree to the full 10k under the original asking price but have them pay closing costs- I will be loosing out on roughly 6k. If I accepted the 10k under price and pay half of closing I loose close to 9.5k!  Not acceptable!  which is odd because I told them I had an estimate to have the floors done for $8500 - it just smells fishy to me - the bank financing this young kid is some off the wall Palm Beach financial bank -  not a major chain bank - 

I think I will stick with my gut as my agent was desperately telling me I will be loosing money as the Markey will start to change soon - oh but wait what did you say last weekend to the buyers agent during the inspection? The market is going to get even more crazier as the weeks go on?? is that what you said or did I have wax in my ears............  

My thoughts on it was (if they really want it - they will fork out the extra 10k that the bank wont finance) This is the excuses that was given to me that they have just enough to get it finance at the orginall asking price but now the bank will only do 10k less and he the buyer doesn't have that extra 10k - oh well!   so what would you all do?  The house is completely paid for - and I wont be loosing a dime if I don't sell it - in fact I have everything to gain if I don't sell it and rent it out for Short Term Rental like Air BnB - The median price for rental is $2200 - to a high of $2600 a month. at 2500 a month thats a clean 30k a year!  POSITIVE cash flow  of course minus taxes, ins and other operating expenses. Taxes are only 1k a year LOL seriously  and roughly $100 for yard maintenance and 80 dollars every 1/4 for pest control - House ins. with rental house insurance for the landlord probably around 2k so honestly not a bad positive cash flow! 

what would you do?? Sell and take the cash and pay of your existing beach house and cc debt and buy a condo on the beach? or rent out grandparents cash cow of a house in port st Lucie?