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All Forum Posts by: Jan Dutton

Jan Dutton has started 1 posts and replied 8 times.

Post: Short Term Rental Calculator

Jan DuttonPosted
  • Charlottesville, VA
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Selena Walsh:

@Jennifer Lopez If you're still looking, here is a Calculator I've created for STR / Vacation Rental. Hope it's helpful! Vacation Rental Calculator


 FYI,   as of May 2024 the link is no longer active. 

Post: Airbnb Arbitrage in New England

Jan DuttonPosted
  • Charlottesville, VA
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Cliff H.:

@Zachary McHugh the best research you could do in New England is attending a few local selectman committee meetings to hear, first hand, how such small committees operate and how quickly they can enact de facto STR bans within their community. As you know from being in the area, New England is a region of 10k communities, each looking over their shoulders to decide on municipal direction to take because each community alone lacks the legal and logistical resources alone to enact categorical change. So as one community passes an ordinance, many more soon follow given the legal and logistics precedents established. New England is a period of rapid change in the STR space so it's foolish for any one person or entity to provide an accurate list of "STR safe spaces" where regulation would not occur in short order.

STR ordinances are coming hard and fast across our region and it's happening because investors are following COVID-era narratives in thinking there's still massive margin in a space that's changing faster than anyone here individually can keep up with. Add in the inherent seasonability of New England's rental market and we're mostly talking about 3-6 month seasons in the rental space, in real-world contrast to the inflated and inaccurate data that somehow makes it way into AirDNA and dashboards for our region. I run an incredibly tight ship with my STRs and I've never made anything close to the level of profitability promised in those dashboards.

Mind you, nothing against other communities where STRs have a long history and legal precedent for continued existence, but here in New England that's most often not the case. Look at what's happened in Laconia, Boston, Newport or others like PTown in progress. Those are communities that make headlines and occupy the larger debate. The smaller the community the more likely they are to look to those touristy destinations for precedent, while viewing mass-investment through tactics like arbitrage as a clear and present danger to their quality of life and move to categorically tax or ban all STRs out of existence. 

Ask me how I know this. 


I've been reading the last several years of select board meeting minutes for small towns in northern NH looking for STR discussions.

In one town, the select board chair owns and STR! Unlikely to have restrictive regulation there.

Post: STR Purchase Strategy?

Jan DuttonPosted
  • Charlottesville, VA
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Stefan St. Marie:

Location is a big one for STR renters.
So I'd put that above condition.


 I've learned that.   To quote a podcast guest "Always buy the premium property."

Post: Airdna or Rabbu

Jan DuttonPosted
  • Charlottesville, VA
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Harshal Hiray:
Quote from @Jan Dutton:

Harshal, 

I'm doing the same evaluation now.   Which one have you picked? 

I looked in a market in Maine using Rabbu.   The "revenue by amenities" analysis suggests that adding outdoor furniture increases the average property's revenues from $64k/yr to $264k/yr.  I.e., adding outdoor furniture adds $200,000 per year of revenue.  This statistic does not pass my reality check.   In the market overview tool, I can find no property that comes close to $264k per year.   If I believed this number, I'd buy several properties, buy a very nice outdoor furniture set up for each one, and reap the benefits.   Nope, I don't believe it. 

I suspect the statistical sample is insufficient to obtain a valid analysis. The market has 76 STR homes in it, and they estimate the revenue impact of 18 amenities. That does not make a statistically significant estimate. I'd love to have the data for each property.

I sent an inquiry to their support email but received a non-explanation reply. 

Hi feel that Rabbu estimate is not that great but I check on both the sites just to compare and validate if both sites estimated revenue numbers are close then it's a good.. Recently while reviewing a couple of properties revenue data I found airdna numbers were pretty close.. But don't just blindly trust do further review for sure. I also run some local property managers realtor will do revenue analysis with a minimum fee. I haven't try it yet but just sharring for info.

Thanks! My profession is focused on forecasting. We always look at an ensemble of forecasts to predict future outcomes. In this case, I'm sure it would be best to compare the results from AirDNA, Rabbu, BNBCalc, STRInsights, and any other STR property revenue analysis tool you can find. It likely makes sense to pay for them, given the scale of the investment being made and their potential profitability.

The results of several sources provide information about the likely variability of revenues (a measure of risk) and guidance on revenue potential.  

That being said, I'm 100% sure that allowing pets in Snowshoe, WV does not add hundreds of thousands of dollars of revenue. 

Post: Airdna or Rabbu

Jan DuttonPosted
  • Charlottesville, VA
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Justin Melton:
Quote from @Jan Dutton:

Harshal, 

I'm doing the same evaluation now.   Which one have you picked? 

I looked in a market in Maine using Rabbu.   The "revenue by amenities" analysis suggests that adding outdoor furniture increases the average property's revenues from $64k/yr to $264k/yr.  I.e., adding outdoor furniture adds $200,000 per year of revenue.  This statistic does not pass my reality check.   In the market overview tool, I can find no property that comes close to $264k per year.   If I believed this number, I'd buy several properties, buy a very nice outdoor furniture set up for each one, and reap the benefits.   Nope, I don't believe it. 

I suspect the statistical sample is insufficient to obtain a valid analysis. The market has 76 STR homes in it, and they estimate the revenue impact of 18 amenities. That does not make a statistically significant estimate. I'd love to have the data for each property.

I sent an inquiry to their support email but received a non-explanation reply. 

Rabbu seems ridiculously high on projected annual rents.  Sometimes more than double the accurate number.  They estimated $120k for beach condo but actual per the mls listing was $40k.  A bit off to say the least! 

Thanks for adding to the conversation.  Your comment provides interesting information.  I hope to be able to get more information about their methodology, but I don't expect I'll receive it. 

I run a small SaaS that provides information for a specific niche of financial trading.  If my customers didn't believe in our data and the methodologies that create it (the key point), we'd be out of business. 

I'll give another example.  The Rabbu revenue by amenity analysis suggests allowing pets in Snowshoe, WV (a market I'm familiar with) adds an average of $328k/yr to the average property.  Just as before, I thought this was even close to true, I'm be headed to Snowshoe this morning to buy a property. 

It seems they've come up with what is probably a viable statistical methodology.  It, unfortunately, doesn't pass the reality check, at least in smaller markets. 

Post: Airdna or Rabbu

Jan DuttonPosted
  • Charlottesville, VA
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 2

Harshal, 

I'm doing the same evaluation now.   Which one have you picked? 

I looked in a market in Maine using Rabbu.   The "revenue by amenities" analysis suggests that adding outdoor furniture increases the average property's revenues from $64k/yr to $264k/yr.  I.e., adding outdoor furniture adds $200,000 per year of revenue.  This statistic does not pass my reality check.   In the market overview tool, I can find no property that comes close to $264k per year.   If I believed this number, I'd buy several properties, buy a very nice outdoor furniture set up for each one, and reap the benefits.   Nope, I don't believe it. 

I suspect the statistical sample is insufficient to obtain a valid analysis. The market has 76 STR homes in it, and they estimate the revenue impact of 18 amenities. That does not make a statistically significant estimate. I'd love to have the data for each property.

I sent an inquiry to their support email but received a non-explanation reply. 

Post: STR Purchase Strategy?

Jan DuttonPosted
  • Charlottesville, VA
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 2

Thanks for the replies so far. One reason I'd consider a fixer-to-STR (thanks @Travis Timmons) is that we've done it one for our primary house, which was a 1930s farmhouse that is now greatly improved.  I didn't do the work, per se, but we did oversee the details. 

One pro of the fixer-to-STR strategy that I listened to just this morning on the "Short Term Rental Management" podcast is the turnkey location will likely have a greater competition to be purchased.

Post: STR Purchase Strategy?

Jan DuttonPosted
  • Charlottesville, VA
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 2

I'm researching to build a plan to buy my first STR.

What are the pros and cons of: 

1) Buying a property nearly ready to rent and compete in its market.   I.e., there are likely relatively few improvements to be made.   I listened to a podcast this week in which the host asked the guest, "What advice would you recommend to your 20-year-old self?"   The answer was "always buy the premium property."   

OR 

2) Buy a property in tougher condition (but in a good location) and significantly invest to make it competitive.

Thanks, 

Jan