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All Forum Posts by: Jess Paskach

Jess Paskach has started 1 posts and replied 6 times.

Patrick - Thank you for sharing, I especially appreciate reading about the lessons you've learned! We're in the middle of our first flip as we speak. Question - did you use a general contractor? Or did you sub out individual parts of the project?

Kyle - We are in the middle of our first flip and are wondering the same thing. Looking forward to seeing the replies here! So far we are relying on Google Sheets to track everything but it's very manual.

Post: Sourcing a General Contractor

Jess PaskachPosted
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Originally posted by @Drew Sygit:

Cheated and copied this from our website, but hope it helps you better understand the "contractor market"

Maintenance

Maintenance is very challenging as it’s never fast enough for tenants, or cheap enough for owners. 

Biggest challenge is the time it may take to obtain a satisfactory bid – and requests for multiple bids only increase this delay.

Another challenge is agreeing on what maintenance issues should be addressed.

  • It’s not as easy as everyone thinks to find dependable, yet affordable contractors. If they’re good, they are booked weeks or months in advance.
  • A lot of good contractors don’t advertise because word-of-mouth advertising keeps them busy. This makes it hard to find them.
  • Contractors often want 50% down to start a job. We find the risk involved is too high to do this. Contractors claim they need these funds for materials, but the reality is they are often using the money to “rob Peter to pay Paul”. We prefer to cover materials and only pay labor when work is satisfactorily complete. Many contractors won’t agree to this.
  • The cheapest contractors typically work for cash to avoid taxes and want to be paid immediately when they are done. We require them to complete a W-9 for tax purposes and also need time to inspect their work before paying them. So, they won’t work with us.

We’ve also learned that contractors usually fall into one of the following categories:

Type 1 (High Quality, High Price)
  • They can do new construction, additions, full remodeling, but maintenance work is too small for them.
  • Typically pay for advertising, have sales staff, separate bid preparers, inhouse designers, full office support.
  • Equates to a lot of overhead, leading to markups of 50%+.
  • Bids: Usually have a dedicated salesman that does their bids, so able to supply quality bids.

Comment: Usually have the highest prices & quality, and so these are the contractors you’d hire to work on your own home. Too expensive to work on rental properties.

Type 2 (High Quality, Average Price)
  • They rarely do new construction (except for garages), focus on additions & remodeling, no maintenance work.
  • Often online advertising, may have one-person sales/bid staff, outsources design, office support typically consists of secretary and bookkeeper.
  • Equates to a decent amount of overhead, leading to markups of 35%+.
  • Bids: May take a while to get a bid from them because they don’t have dedicated sales staff. Often depends on how busy they are.

Comment: Contractors to work on your own home, flips, high-end rental properties. Usually too expensive to work on average rental properties.

Type 3 (Average Quality, Average Price)
  • May build an occasional garage or addition, typically focused on remodeling and maintenance work.
  • No advertising, the contractor is the sales/bid staff, no design services, office support is typically wife/girlfriend/mother.
  • Low overhead leads to markups of only 25%+.
  • Bids: Difficult to get a professional-looking bid from them because they would rather be making money working, instead of spending their time doing bids for free.

Comment: Contractors that are perfect for medium/low-end flips & rental properties. Because they don’t advertise, difficult to find.

Type 4 (Low Quality, Low Price)
  • Not able to do any new construction or additions, rarely licensed, focused on low-end remodeling & maintenance work.
  • Just one or two-person operation with no support staff.
  • Very low overhead, markups seem low, but they often end up higher due to issues they didn’t price.
  • Bids: Almost impossible to get a reliable written bid from them because they don’t have the knowledge to prepare proper pricing. So, they usually only give verbal pricing – that often changes once they start.

Comment: Contractors to avoid as they are unreliable in every way possible, including showing up. 2-day jobs turn into 2-week jobs, or worse. Forget trying to get them to return and fix poor work. They always want to be paid in cash as soon as they are done. We cannot hire these types as owners & tenants will not be happy with timing or quality of work.

We hope our categories make logical sense and help you better understand the challenges we face.

 I love they way you have this broken down Drew, thank you! Extremely helpful! I appreciate your response - definitely looking for the Type 2. Now just to figure out where to find them...

Post: Sourcing a General Contractor

Jess PaskachPosted
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Originally posted by @JM Payne:

Check with your local REI group to see if anybody recommends a particular GC, although investors often guard good contractors because they want their own projects to be priority. Alternatively, check with good local property management companies and see who they recommend. These guys are often more familiar with day to day product instead of high-end/spec homes, and good property management companies will cull a list of responsive, reliable, and affordable contractors that are licensed (if required) and insured. Hope that helps you, and best of luck.

- jm

Thank you JM! Reaching out to property management is an excellent idea - we love and trust the company we use for our rentals, I imagine they'll have a few suggestions. I appreciate your response!

Post: Sourcing a General Contractor

Jess PaskachPosted
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Hi all - what are your best tips and recommendations for finding a general contractor? 

I'm located in Boise, ID and we're in search of GCs for potential BRRRRs and flips. We're doing research online and while we've found what seem to be some reliable companies, most of them specialize in higher-end remodels and their price per square foot is insane. Since we'll be more hands-on throughout the remodel (we have renovation/construction management experience), we're looking for a GC that's more straightforward... meaning someone who gets in/gets out quickly, does a quality job but doesn't require all the 'fluff' (I hope that makes sense?). 

I certainly recognize GCs are expensive and in demand in this market and that you get what you pay for, so I'm trying to be realistic. I'm just wondering if anyone has tips for finding a contractor that does well with simple/straightforward renovations. I appreciate any thoughts on this topic!

First, there are some wonderful insights in this thread, thank you to all that have shared! Second, I see a few mentions of Californians leaving their state and bringing the 'liberal' (or however you want to label it) ideals/politics to other states, which is potentially upsetting locals and I can understand where they're coming from. That said I believe this is a misunderstanding. In my experience, Californians are generally leaving the state because they want to get away from California politics, not bring those politics to their new community. About 18 months ago we moved from the central coast of California to Boise, ID and it was the best decision we could have made. Idaho continues to see a large influx of west coasters to the city (of the 80K who moved to Boise in 2018, ~21K were from CA and ~17K from WA) which is certainly boosting the local economy, but also creating tension in other places like traffic and housing costs. It will be interesting to see what takes place over the next twelve months, and we're certainly watching it closely, however I'd put my money on even more Californians moving to the Gem State.