Skip to content
×
Pro Members Get
Full Access!
Get off the sidelines and take action in real estate investing with BiggerPockets Pro. Our comprehensive suite of tools and resources minimize mistakes, support informed decisions, and propel you to success.
Advanced networking features
Market and Deal Finder tools
Property analysis calculators
Landlord Command Center
ANNUAL Save 54%
$32.50 /mo
$390 billed annualy
MONTHLY
$69 /mo
billed monthly
7 day free trial. Cancel anytime
Pick markets, find deals, analyze and manage properties. Try BiggerPockets PRO.
x
All Forum Categories
All Forum Categories
Followed Discussions
Followed Categories
Followed People
Followed Locations
Market News & Data
General Info
Real Estate Strategies
Landlording & Rental Properties
Real Estate Professionals
Financial, Tax, & Legal
Real Estate Classifieds
Reviews & Feedback

All Forum Posts by: Jesse Flores

Jesse Flores has started 2 posts and replied 47 times.

Originally posted by @Stephanie P.:
Originally posted by @Jesse Flores:
Originally posted by @Stephanie P.:
Originally posted by @Jesse Flores:
Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:

My guess is you are looking to get conventional financing, which is Fannie / Freddie backed 15 or 30 year fixed mortgage type products. You will need income to qualify for conventional financing to meet underwriting requirements. The rental property income is not counted until you own it for a period of time.

Talk to a bank about a commercial loan. That type of loan is held by the bank and you will get terms like 20 year amortization and 5 year term. The rate will not be quite as good as conventional, but you can't meet the underwriting requirements so try a different loan product.

@Joe Splitrock.  We did look at that option.  You are correct on the commercial loan option and the rates were quite a bit more than conventional.  I figured I could get better rates but wait a bit.  I’m fairly confident things will work out.  Keeping my fingers crossed!  Thanks for everyone’s input and advise!

Waiting on rates to get better is a fools errand.  We are at historic lows and we're in a rising rate environment.

@Stephanie P. - I agree with you on waiting on rates to get better.  So both you and @Joe Splitrock think I should go with a commercial loan now?  I’ll bring that up again.  When I do won’t a commercial loan officer still want my current “cash flow”?  Guess I need to find out.  That is what I’m running into -  not having any “cash flow” just having assets...

Rates on investor loans for a purchase range from 4.25% to 7.99 with a lot of variables that affect the rate.

Yes, cash flow of the property is a driver to determine your DSCR, but credit is a driver as is LTV. Your personal cash flow doesn't matter, but your cash reserves do. On a purchase, I've seen LTV's as high as 80%.

Stephanie

 @Stephanie P. Thanks for all your suggestions.  I do have options and am also thinking of doing some IT contractor work.  This will work itself out eventually.  Thanks again!

Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:
Originally posted by @Stephan Kraus:

@Joe Splitrock

i dont think commercial loan would work here since its considered residential due to only beeing a duplex. there are many banks who will lend based on the property's DSCR (Debt Service coverage ratio, the income of the property), look up mbanc for starters, but there are many "non qm" lenders that will do a scenario like this in your market 🤞🏼

good luck!

 Regardless of the number of units, it is residential real estate if the primary use is housing. Apartment buildings are residential real estate as defined by tax code. You may mean "owner occupied", but I don't think the OP is occupying the property. What I meant by commercial loan is non-conventional lending where they underwrite based on cash flow. You can absolutely finance a portfolio of small multifamily or even single family with loans like this. Here is just one example of a lender who does this. I have no experience with this lender, just using it as an example:

https://www.foacommercial.com/...

Gotcha!  I am going to get all the input, suggestions from everyone and then start going down the list.  Thank you! 

Originally posted by @Jonathan R McLaughlin:

@Jesse Flores you should be able to get a commercial loan. Or buy it cash and refi with the commercial, which it sounds like you might have to do to secure it. Leave enough in so that you can easily cover debt service and expenses and draw some. You may be looking at 60-70 loan to value 20-25 year amortization and 4-6%.

No comment on whether it’s a good deal or not, don’t know potential rental increase, taxes, ease of management, appreciation potential, market blah blah blah.

Depending on how you structure this could be a nice little savings account with a great % return compared to those types of accounts. But it will cost you some of that cash.

Jonathan R McLaughlin I’m looking at every angle on this.  I know everything will workout.  Thanks!!!

Originally posted by @Joe Hammel:

@Jesse Flores

There should be some Mortgage Brokers in the area that can lend “unqualified money”.

*I’m not an expert on this* but the pieces I’ve put together is that to the consumer it feels like a hybrid between conventional and private/hard money. They seem to still be able to do 30 year mortgage but interest rate might be more like 6%. They don’t use income to “qualify” and instead use the asset you’re purchasing. Sure 6% is higher than 3.5% but when you’re purchases a rental property with a 15% return - it’s a small opportunity costs.

A lot of lenders/brokers have access to different products and if one lender can’t do something they’re likely to say “it can’t be done” when more likely they just mean “they can’t do it” - so continue to call mortgage Brokers and ask for “unqualified money” mortgages.

I’m sure I still have a lot to learn on this....but it’s what I’ve gathered so far. So Keep calling around. I think there is a mortgage broker search function on BP, and likely if you keep calling that list, someone might be able to connect the dots.

@Joe Hammel I am looking into commercial and or unqualified loans.  Even checking on getting loan against my retirement.  Thanks fir the input advise!

Originally posted by @Jaquetta T Ragland:

@Jesse Flores have you tried a hard money lender? That may be an option or obtain a job position temporarily for income

I hadn’t thought of that but sounds like a great idea.  Thank you @Jaquetta T Ragland !

Originally posted by @Nicholas Covington:

@Jesse Flores

What state are you in/buying in?

Texas.  I’m in Harlingen (Rio Grand Valley).

Originally posted by @Francis Louis Vogel Jr:

Jesse,

You need to be properly capitalized with income to support the debt service. 

@Francis Louis Vogel Jr - I completely understand the situation I’m in now thanks to all the feedback I’ve received.  At this point I just have to make a decision..,

Thank you for your advice!

Best regards,

Jesse 

Originally posted by @Crystal S.:

@Jesse Flores

Hi Jesse,

If you have no income you can do a non-qualified mortgage with the income from the property covering it’s self.

Generally these loans are anywhere from 25%-30% down and lowest FICO for qualifying is 650.

Interest rates are around between 6.74%-8.99%.

Generally investors will use these loan types if they can not qualify for a qualified mortgage or they have a special income situation.

Just another option you can try if nothing else is coming through for you.

Regards,

Crystal

@Crystal S. - Your reply is exactly what I need right now!  Thank you!  My FICO score is over 820 +.   It was 850 at one point but it has gone down due to trying to make this happen.  I will follow up on your advice!

Thanks again!!!

Best regards,

Jesse

Originally posted by @Stephanie P.:
Originally posted by @Jesse Flores:
Originally posted by @Joe Splitrock:

My guess is you are looking to get conventional financing, which is Fannie / Freddie backed 15 or 30 year fixed mortgage type products. You will need income to qualify for conventional financing to meet underwriting requirements. The rental property income is not counted until you own it for a period of time.

Talk to a bank about a commercial loan. That type of loan is held by the bank and you will get terms like 20 year amortization and 5 year term. The rate will not be quite as good as conventional, but you can't meet the underwriting requirements so try a different loan product.

@Joe Splitrock.  We did look at that option.  You are correct on the commercial loan option and the rates were quite a bit more than conventional.  I figured I could get better rates but wait a bit.  I’m fairly confident things will work out.  Keeping my fingers crossed!  Thanks for everyone’s input and advise!

Waiting on rates to get better is a fools errand.  We are at historic lows and we're in a rising rate environment.

@Stephanie P. - I agree with you on waiting on rates to get better.  So both you and @Joe Splitrock think I should go with a commercial loan now?  I’ll bring that up again.  When I do won’t a commercial loan officer still want my current “cash flow”?  Guess I need to find out.  That is what I’m running into -  not having any “cash flow” just having assets...

Originally posted by @David Kelly:

Lets talk Money!  So, my first question to you is how do your 2020, and 2019 taxes look?  Is there income?  If so, from where?  Is it the sale of homes?  If you have capital gains income for 2 years (possibly 3 years depending on if I use Fannie or Freddie), I may be able to use that as an average.  If we do go this route I am also going to have to show 3 years worth of forward income as reserves.  So if you made an average of 100k/yr = $8333/mo.  I would also need to show you have $300,000 in withdrawable assets.  

@David Kelly - I just retired in September of 2020.  My 2019 & 2020 taxes would be work related (@ $120K/year).  This will be my first rental property.  I am running into walls because of me being a newbie.  That is my situation...