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All Forum Posts by: Jeremy Keeler

Jeremy Keeler has started 7 posts and replied 32 times.

Post: Can you roll a hard money loan into a portfolio loan?

Jeremy KeelerPosted
  • Corpus Christi, TX
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 12

I'm looking for as long an amortization as possible to help out with cash flow while avoiding the due on sale issues I'll run into with an FHA note.

Post: Can you roll a hard money loan into a portfolio loan?

Jeremy KeelerPosted
  • Corpus Christi, TX
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 12

@Account Closed Sweet.

Post: Can you roll a hard money loan into a portfolio loan?

Jeremy KeelerPosted
  • Corpus Christi, TX
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 12

Recently after years of reading and listening to books and podcasts on owning rental property, I decided to start taking the first steps towards making a purchase. 

For years I've heard about folks buying and rehabbing with their own money, private money or hard money, then doing a refinance with an FHA backed mortgage note. They buy the properties in their names, then when they hit their lawfully mandated limit of ten properties(or ten in the name of each spouse) they move the deeds into an LLC, thus freeing them to continue to score government-backed loans on the cheap, giving them healthy cash flow.

That's the way I've heard about it being done, and it makes sense if you believe in leveraging other peoples money to build wealth. But here's the problem. The due on sale clause. Now before anyone says they have never ever heard of a bank executing that clause, take a gander in these forums and you'll see that not only does it happen, but the frequency of the DOS clauses being executed is picking up speed. The reason as best that I can tell is climbing interest rates. With rates going up, possibly another 2 full points in the next 2 years, mortgage account managers are wringing their hands looking for ways to get out of cheap loans they issued over the past decade. They're looking for things that break the loan contract, like due on sale clause triggers, such as "We made a loan to John Doe, but now our collateral is deeded to AWESOME LANDLORD LLC? Eff that! Call that note due!

Do I think they want to foreclose? probably not, but what they can do is force you to move it back into your name or maybe if they can get away with it, get the property into a higher interest note.

The point is, it's at their discretion. I am not going to build a business that could come crashing down based on the discretion of a pencil pusher at a bank!

So where does that leave me if I want to use as little of my own money as possible to pick up properties? Can I just buy the properties cash and pay for the rehab work with my own cash? Yeah, one, maybe two and then what? I've exposed myself to maximum risk by basically emptying out my bank account to get the houses. Not exactly leveraging is it?

So my quest to solve this problem has led me to portfolio lenders that loan out their own funds and therefore don't care if the loan is in your name or an LLC or whatever, it only has to make financial sense to them.

So, considering that I would still like to use hard money lenders to buy and rehab while using as little of my personal money as possible, is it possible to get a portfolio lender to give me a 30-year note and cash me out of a hard money loan? This is assuming, of course, the rehabbed property appraises high enough to satisfy all my costs or most all of my hard money costs.

I have not called up any portfolio lenders to ask them, but I know there are quite a few in these forums.

Thanks in advance!

@Jason Smith We went with Frost Bank. Not a lot of institutions offering HELOC's in the South Texas area. I just started doing the research. Called a credit union and was treated rudely and they acted pained that I had to ask them questions!

Called Frost up and they answered every question no problem. Frost is .99 + Prime, so they were not the cheapest, but they were very nice and professional. Had to go with my gut.

Post: What's the best way to snow ball your REI portfolio? (Rental REI)

Jeremy KeelerPosted
  • Corpus Christi, TX
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 12

@Brian Dudash

"Won't your credit be worthless in a way since you technically do not own any of these properties?"

I'd like to point out that you own all the properties that are deeded in your name. There is this fallacy that's as old as time that says the bank actually owns the house. That's BS and bad thinking. The bank lent you money, all they want is to make money off the interest that you have on the loan. In order to secure that loan, you agree to put said property up as collateral. You do not need to ask the bank if you can paint your house, you don't need to ask them if you can swap out windows, add a carport or sell it. Because it's yours. You pay to maintain it, you pay the taxes on it. If the bank owned it, they would pay them.

my 2cents

I live in Corpus Christi, but do not plan on investing on the coast. I was here when Harvey hit just to our north in Rockport. I have seen first hand what a storm can do, it ain't pretty. To all those that say "that's what insurance is for" I laugh at them. 
Insurance is great, but just wait until you have to deal with them, they are quick to take your money and slow to pay out in a large disaster area. Also, consider that even if your properties take little damage in a direct hit area the city will basically be out of commission for 12-24 months. Rockport which took the brunt of Harvey's winds is still a mess. It's just now barely starting to resemble a town again 14 months later. So, even if your properties take little damage, the infrastructure is wrecked for many months. Think 9/11 style damage. You think Mexico Beach will be back on its feet anytime before 2020? Think again!
All that said, this is a fairly hot market and a booming economy with plenty of homes in need of rehabs and renters.
It's up to you, you could go 25 years with no storm, or get one a week after your first purchase. They don't call it investing because it's easy.

@Jason Smith

We closed on our HELOC last week!

Post: HELOC Double Leverage Strategy

Jeremy KeelerPosted
  • Corpus Christi, TX
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 12

Well, we were approved and closed on our HELOC last week!

Post: Fund & Grow Financing

Jeremy KeelerPosted
  • Corpus Christi, TX
  • Posts 32
  • Votes 12

Maybe I'm a supreme skeptic, but all these positive posts on Fund And Grow seem a bit fake. Maybe they are totally legit, but they seem very fill in the blank. 
Hope I'm wrong.

I was told by a lender via email that Federal law prohibits me from getting a HELOC on my residence if said residence has no mortgage. She was wanting to get me into a Texas A6 cash out style loan. I've searched high and low online, but cannot find the answer to my question. My next step will be actually calling a bank that offers HELOCs and asking them. At first I thought she might be lying but the more I think about it I find that new finance laws may be written in a way that "protects" home owners from losing their homes with a small draw on a HELOC.

Any wisdom on this is appreciated. Thanks!

P.S. That subject title is a bit misleading but it wouldn't let me enter the entire question. I know you can get HELOCs in Texas, but can you get them if the home is paid for?