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All Forum Posts by: Jennifer T.

Jennifer T. has started 19 posts and replied 31 times.

I am trying to cash out refi a property and have narrowed my lenders down to 2. Which one of these DSCR loans would you pick? (Or keep shopping?)

Yes I know it's not a perfect BRRRR and I can't cash out everything but it's better than not picking up the 100k equity.

Property ARV: $450k

Total in: $350k

Monthly rent: $4000

Monthly taxes & insurance: $530


[Loan 1] (via broker)

75% LTV

1.5% origination fee ($5062)

Other fees: $1595 underwriting + $1295 processing (=$2890)

Interest rate (floating): 7.25%

5 years PPP

Monthly P&I: $2,278

Rent - PITI = $1,192

***If appraisal comes back high enough, may be possible to do 80% LTV at 7.99%



[Loan 2] (direct lender)

70% LTV

NO origination fee

Other fees: $1,395 underwriting + $695 processing (=$2090)

Interest rate (will not change): 7.375%

5 years PPP

Monthly P&I: $2,152

Rent - PITI = $1318

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I really like how there's no origination fee with lender #2 so I get to keep more of the money I pull out. But they won't do 75% LTV or it'd be a slam dunk.

With lender #1, I'm paying higher fees of $5862 to cash out 5% more ($22,500), so I only get to keep $16,638 of it. Is it worth it?

Which one would you go with? Or would you keep shopping?

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@Matt Frazier

There are a lot of ins and outs to what you are thinking about trying to do.  First, and foremost, my guess is that it is highly unlikely that the only lien on the house is for $170,000.  (It's always possible I suppose)... but in foreclosures, there are frequently second lenders who may or may not be listed in the auction paperwork.  It really starts off with figuring out who is filing the foreclosure.  For instance, if there were two lenders between the lot, and the house, and the foreclosure is just one of those trying to recoup their costs,  you might not see the other lender listed at all in the foreclosure paperwork.  But if you got the property for the $170,000, a more senior (earlier) mortgage would remain attached to the property.  So if there was a $600,000 house loan still floating around out there, you would own the house for the $170,000 (if it sold for that), but the property would still have a lien by the other lender wanting payment for their $600,000 loan; and if you didn't pay, they would then turn around and foreclose on YOU!  So be careful... there are a lot of intricacies with all of that.  

That specific scenario would never happen due to the concept of lien priority. First mortgage must take precedence over second mortgage. So even if you default on your second mortgage, and the second mortgagor forecloses on your property then sells it at an auction, the first mortgagor has to get fully paid from the sale first. Then the second mortgager will get whatever is leftover (if any). 

So strategically, as the second mortgagor, it is only likely to foreclose on a home if there will be money left in excess of the first mortgage.

Thus, as a buyer of a foreclosed home, all mortgages will be wiped out after the sale and you will never be surprised by another "hidden mortgage". 

This is inaccurate. The first mortgage holder is not even a party to the subordinate lien foreclosure action and thus the first lien is unaffected.

The internet (and BP) is full of stories from people who overpaid at the foreclosure of a junior (second trust, HOA/COA lien), etc... not realizing they were then taking title subject to the senior.

If we are talking specifically about a second mortgage, why would the second mortgagor get the benefit of a second mortgage (ie. higher interest rates), but not the risk (ie. being able to jump over the first mortgagor to get paid first)? 

(Going by the info here, where it says second mortgagor only gets paid after the first): 
Second Mortgage: What It Is, How It Works, Lender Requirements (investopedia.com)
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@Matt Frazier

There are a lot of ins and outs to what you are thinking about trying to do.  First, and foremost, my guess is that it is highly unlikely that the only lien on the house is for $170,000.  (It's always possible I suppose)... but in foreclosures, there are frequently second lenders who may or may not be listed in the auction paperwork.  It really starts off with figuring out who is filing the foreclosure.  For instance, if there were two lenders between the lot, and the house, and the foreclosure is just one of those trying to recoup their costs,  you might not see the other lender listed at all in the foreclosure paperwork.  But if you got the property for the $170,000, a more senior (earlier) mortgage would remain attached to the property.  So if there was a $600,000 house loan still floating around out there, you would own the house for the $170,000 (if it sold for that), but the property would still have a lien by the other lender wanting payment for their $600,000 loan; and if you didn't pay, they would then turn around and foreclose on YOU!  So be careful... there are a lot of intricacies with all of that.  

That specific scenario would never happen due to the concept of lien priority. First mortgage must take precedence over second mortgage. So even if you default on your second mortgage, and the second mortgagor forecloses on your property then sells it at an auction, the first mortgagor has to get fully paid from the sale first. Then the second mortgager will get whatever is leftover (if any). 

So strategically, as the second mortgagor, it is only likely to foreclose on a home if there will be money left in excess of the first mortgage.

Thus, as a buyer of a foreclosed home, all mortgages will be wiped out after the sale and you will never be surprised by another "hidden mortgage". 


Yeah.... That's not how it works. You got a few snipet's of fact, but a whole lot of assumption in there, incorrect assumption. 

Care to elaborate? I know that as others have mentioned, certain liens may not get wiped out. But when it comes specifically to second mortgages, why would the second mortgagor, knowing that they could be an unsecured creditor junior to the first mortgagor and still gave a loan, be able to take precedence over the first mortgagor? 
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@Matt Frazier

There are a lot of ins and outs to what you are thinking about trying to do.  First, and foremost, my guess is that it is highly unlikely that the only lien on the house is for $170,000.  (It's always possible I suppose)... but in foreclosures, there are frequently second lenders who may or may not be listed in the auction paperwork.  It really starts off with figuring out who is filing the foreclosure.  For instance, if there were two lenders between the lot, and the house, and the foreclosure is just one of those trying to recoup their costs,  you might not see the other lender listed at all in the foreclosure paperwork.  But if you got the property for the $170,000, a more senior (earlier) mortgage would remain attached to the property.  So if there was a $600,000 house loan still floating around out there, you would own the house for the $170,000 (if it sold for that), but the property would still have a lien by the other lender wanting payment for their $600,000 loan; and if you didn't pay, they would then turn around and foreclose on YOU!  So be careful... there are a lot of intricacies with all of that.  

That specific scenario would never happen due to the concept of lien priority. First mortgage must take precedence over second mortgage. So even if you default on your second mortgage, and the second mortgagor forecloses on your property then sells it at an auction, the first mortgagor has to get fully paid from the sale first. Then the second mortgager will get whatever is leftover (if any). 

So strategically, as the second mortgagor, it is only likely to foreclose on a home if there will be money left in excess of the first mortgage.

Thus, as a buyer of a foreclosed home, all mortgages will be wiped out after the sale and you will never be surprised by another "hidden mortgage". 

Hello,

I was approached with some off market deals and I have never done them before. Can someone please briefly outline the steps to buying an off market deal or share some important things to know? This is in Indiana. 

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I'm analyzing some deals and getting very different numbers from different people for Sec 8. I was told that Indy just increased the payment standards for Sec 8 this year. However what they will pay for a specific property is much different than the maximum they will pay. Is there a way to find out what they will pay in a given area/type of unit? I'm looking at some multifamilies in the east side. One agent told me a 2 bedroom will rent for around 7-900 through sec 8, and another told me I can get 1200 (not including utilities allowance), so it's a huge difference. 


Any other advice regarding Sec 8 in Indy? 

Post: Mid-term Rental Insurance Policy

Jennifer T.Posted
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Wouldn't MTR just fall under traditional LTR? Legally it seems like that they are identical with LTR, just with a shorter lease term. You can use the standard LTR lease form for MTR. MTR tenants have the same rights as LTR tenants as they stay past 30 days. The risks to insurers are also different than a STR.

Have you tried asking traditional landlord policy carriers if there's a restriction on minimum lease term under the policy, as long as it's over 30 days? 

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I currently have a very professional management company but they didn't disclose that they would be charging me exorbitant fees. 

That doesn't make sense. If they are "very professional" then they would disclose their fees up front, in writing.

Here's a whole list of them via Google search: https://www.google.com/search?...

Remember: cheaper doesn't mean you'll make more money.

Start by going to www.narpm.org to search their directory of managers. These are professionals with additional training and a stricter code of ethics. It's no guarantee but it's a good place to start. You can also search Google and read reviews. Regardless of how you find them, try to interview at least three managers.

1. Ask how many units they manage and how much experience they have. If it's a larger organization, feel free to inquire about their staff qualifications.

2. Review their management agreement. Make sure it explicitly explains the process for termination if you are unhappy with their services, but especially if they violate the terms of your agreement.

3. Understand the fees involved and calculate the total cost for an entire year of management so you can compare the different managers. It may sound nice to pay a 6% management fee but the extra fees can add up to be more than the other company that charges 10% with no additional fees. Fees should be clearly stated in writing, easy to understand, and justifiable. Common fees will include a set-up fee, leasing fee for each turnover or a lease renewal fee, marking up maintenance, retaining late fees, and more. If you ask the manager to justify a fee and he starts hemming and hawing, move on or require them to remove the fee. Don't be afraid to negotiate, particularly if you have a lot of rentals.

4. Review their lease agreement and addenda. Think of all the things that could go wrong and see if the lease addresses them: unauthorized pets or tenants, early termination, security deposit, lease violations, late rent, eviction, lawn maintenance, parking, etc.

5. Don't just read the lease! Ask the manager to explain their process for dealing with maintenance, late rent, evictions, turnover, etc. If they are professional, they can explain this quickly and easily. If they are VERY professional, they will have their processes in writing as verification that policies are enforced equally and fairly by their entire staff.

6. Ask to speak with some of their current owners and current/former tenants. You can also check their reviews online at Google, Facebook, or Yelp. Just remember: most negative reviews are written by problematic tenants. The fact that a tenant is complaining online might be an indication the property manager dealt with them properly so be sure to ask the manager for their side of the story.

7. Look at their marketing strategy. Are they doing everything they can to expose properties to the widest possible market? Are their listings detailed with good quality photos? Can they prove how long it takes to rent a vacant property?

This isn't inclusive but should give you a good start. If you have specific questions about property management, I'll be happy to help!

Thank you very much for the detail list! I will put it to use in search of my next manager.

Hi there,

Can anyone recommend a good property manager in South Philadelphia that balances tenant services and saving owners money?

I currently have a very professional management company but they didn't disclose that they would be charging me exorbitant fees. Even though they have their own in-house team, they charge me at $120/hour for every kind of task like peeling off the sticker from new appliances. They recently charged me $200 for moving an old table lamp from a unit and putting a number stickers on 3 mail boxes. They do this several times a month so I can simply not afford them.  

Thank you!