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All Forum Posts by: Jared Bouzek

Jared Bouzek has started 1 posts and replied 384 times.

Post: New pro member Denver, Colorado

Jared BouzekPosted
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  • Denver, CO
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@Brandon Lovellette Welcome to Bigger Pockets and best of luck getting started in REI. There are a number of people on here with engineering backgrounds. I'm happy to answer questions you have on the finance side of REI.

Post: Tax advantage in negative cash flow property

Jared BouzekPosted
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  • Denver, CO
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@Manoj N. Actually considering the HOA's I've seen on townhouses and condos in our area, that $176/month is pretty reasonable. The decision to invest in a negative cash-flow is entirely personal. If you make a nice employment income and have a very long-term view on the investment, I think it can be ok if you don't mind biting the bullet for a couple of years while rents increase. You seem like a numbers guy, so I'm sure you've looked at the alternatives you have to invest your money in. While there are tax advantages tied to investing in rental properties, I don't know if I would lean on that to justify the investment.

To get down to the basics, the decision is: By deploying your capital in this investment, does your expected overall return beat the other alternatives that you have and does it do so to a degree that justifies the risk of this investment?

Post: Neighborhoods with positive cash flow in today's market

Jared BouzekPosted
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  • Denver, CO
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@Laura S. First of all, welcome to Bigger Pockets. It sounds like you've already got some experience under your belt. Props to you for recognizing where your experience level is and what fits your current investment mindset. Are you connected with a local REI focused agent? That might help you locate and evaluate investment opportunities. I think you will find that many of the opportunities in the area you mentioned are going to be a little thin on the cash-flow side for the first couple of years. Unfortunately with a 1031, you have limited time to identify your property. You might also consider looking slightly north to find some more cash flow.

Good luck in your search. Let us know how we can be a help to you.

Post: Cash Out Refi Question

Jared BouzekPosted
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  • Denver, CO
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@Taye N. The maximum LTV on a cash-out refinance on a 2-4 unit property is 70% with conventional financing. If you find something out there higher than 70%, it's not a conventional mortgage so likely doesn't have the nice rates & terms that are usually associated with conventional loans.

Conventional appraisals on 1-4 unit properties will use the Sales Comparison approach, so even though you've nearly doubled your income, you're still going to be bound my recent comparable sales. That's not to say you haven't increased your value through remodeling. It just still needs to fit with the comparable properties.

Post: Duplex or 4-plex? An analysis from a noob.

Jared BouzekPosted
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  • Denver, CO
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@Zach Bagby I think your question is more about thought process than digging into the nitty-gritty of your numbers. Yes, as pointed out above, some of your assumptions are likely not entirely correct on the true costs, but your methodology of analysis looks pretty solid. 

The choice of analysis metrics really comes down to personal preference in my mind. A lot of people like COC or ROI, and I believe those are valid methods of analysis mainly prior to the purchase. After time has passed, I think it is much more difficult to see analysis that makes sense using COC or ROI. My personal preference is to look at investments as best I can over a long period of time, so my preferred metric is Return on Equity (ROE).

House hacking, more than maybe any other style of REI, reveals the power of leverage. There are few other investment opportunities where you can put $17,500 at risk and control a $350,000 asset. As a result, a lot of your return metrics will look inflated in early time because of the minimal up-front investment. If you look at it over time from an ROE perspective, you will see a rapid decline in the ROE in the first few years as your reinvested equity outruns your investment gain.

Using ROE gives you a true sense of the opportunity cost of your investment because you're accounting for the "dead equity" left trapped in the investment. As a result, I think it's wise to set a baseline minimum expectation, and when your ROE dips below that level, it triggers a choice to access that equity and re-invest by selling, cash-out refinance, HELOC, etc. To give you a comparison, if you're a stock investor, you have a daily choice to either buy or sell your stock. There is no hold because making the decision to hold means that you would buy that stock at that price on that day. In a similar sense, we don't look at REI on a daily level but maybe yearly. After you've owned an asset for one year, you ideally have a certain amount of the equity in that property that you could access, and you make one of two choices - remove the available equity to invest in a higher return opportunity or "reinvest" that equity by keeping it locked in the property. This choice continues as time goes by and you reinvest more of the equity back into the property as the value appreciates and you pay down your loan.

Using this methodology allows you to make the most accurate comparison between investment alternatives as you move through time and gives you the information you need to deploy your funds at your optimum risk vs return level.

Hope that makes sense and I'm answering some of the questions you have.

Post: Searching For Wholesaler for Wash Park Neighborhood

Jared BouzekPosted
  • Lender
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 404
  • Votes 225

@Grant Shipman You might connect with @Matt M.. He's not exactly a wholesaler, but he's a solid agent with good local knowledge and an active contributor on Bigger Pockets.

Post: Creative financing and down payment assistance

Jared BouzekPosted
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  • Denver, CO
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@Troy H. I wouldn't necessarily say that's the case for all community 2nds. I've seen them cover nicer areas but have income caps. I would say talk to a loan officer who is familiar with the specific area you're purchasing in, and they will likely know what is available.

@Adam Christopher Zaleski In follow-up to the prior comments on putting less than 20% down, there is one little trick specific to the HomeReady program if you would rather put down 15% on a primary. A lot of people don't realize that if you purchase with HomeReady putting 15% down and pair it with lender-paid mortgage insurance, your total rate could be virtually identical to putting down 20% if you have high 700's credit. There are income limits depending on where you're looking, but if you fit the limit, that could provide a way for you to go down to a 15% down payment and have minimal or no affect in your interest rate.

If you choose to pull cash out of one of the properties, I agree that Option #2 would likely allow you to lower your rate in the process if you have decent credit. You don't necessarily have to pull the maximum out of one of your other properties if you don't want to. You just want to make sure how pulling cash out of one property will affect your DTI on the purchase.

Are they qualifying you using your rental income as well? I don't know how your RE market compares to Denver, but we're in a pretty hot market and I see a lot of people buy houses with less than 20% down. A lot of it can hinge on how your agent/lender are presenting your offer.

Post: Newbie: Where do I go next?

Jared BouzekPosted
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  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 404
  • Votes 225

Hey @Connor Anderson. Welcome to Bigger Pockets. There are a few easy things you can do right now:

1. Get to know the lay of the land around Denver. Since you're new to the city, just spend some time learning the layout and where you might like to live and where the good multifamily properties are.

2. Save up money. There will be options for you to put minimal funds down on a multifamily property, but you will still need some starting cash. 

3. Your profile says you're a recent college grad. Manage your lifestyle and don't let it get out of control early on. You have some pretty big goals to meet and that will start by delaying the gratification now.

It might be a good idea for you to pick up Scott Trench's book "Set For Life" if you haven't already read it. It should be available in the BP bookstore.

Post: Beginning your investing in a lower income city and moving?

Jared BouzekPosted
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  • Denver, CO
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@Account Closed If you will have a good income from your day-job then yes you can qualify with just that. It would only become a problem if you were trying to use the rental income from the property you are purchasing to qualify for more house.