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All Forum Posts by: J Scott

J Scott has started 161 posts and replied 16457 times.

Post: Fair percentage for investor

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There's no right or wrong answer here, it really boils down to what each side wants and whether the other side thinks it's fair.

From pure negotiation standpoint, the fact that you are looking to take this investment after the deal was already started, that tells me that you need him more than he needs you.  In other words, if you had planned properly from the beginning and had the funds necessary to do the deal, you wouldn't even be considering bringing him in, I assume.

That gives him more negotiating leverage.  

On the other side of the coin, you handled the acquisition and took some upfront risk.

Between these two things, if I were him, I would negotiate an equal split, and I would be pretty confident that you'd be willing to give it.  Am I right? Would you be willing to walk away from the deal if you demanded an equal split?

On the other hand, if you don't really need his money, and you're simply doing him a favor by letting him into the deal at this point, then offer him less then an equal split and see what happens.

But again, long story short, it's all about the negotiation at this point. And if he's a decent negotiator, I imagine he'll get at least an equal split.

Post: Cash On Cash %

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It's pretty hard to get cash on cash in the teens these days, simply due to high prices and high interest rates.

That said, if you're willing to work hard enough -- marketing for non-public deals -- it's possible.

You're just going to have to work a lot harder for these types of deals then you would have a couple years ago.

Post: Apartment Syndication Coaching

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Here's another recent thread on this topic:

https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

Post: Cash-On-Cash (CoC) Returns - Currently

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Most deals we're underwriting these days we'll have an average cash on cash return over the life of the deal of somewhere in the 7% to 9% range.  With cash on cash in the first year at between 4% and 5%.

There are ways to increase those cash on cash returns in the early years, but they will require diluting investors and reducing the total returns on the back end.

Post: Co-Founder (multifamily management business )

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Welcome!

Post: One Business Focus or Several in the first few years of entrepreneurship?

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FOCUS!

Post: YouTuber Makes Some BIg Assumptions About Multifamily

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While I don't necessarily disagree with his premise, that it's possible to make money buying multifamily properties today, many of his assumptions are either flat out incorrect or horribly presented.

There were two things in particular that he completely messed up:

First, when cap rates are less than interest rates, there is one huge negative risk, and he never mentioned it. When cap rates are less than interest rates you have negative leverage on your debt. 

Meaning that for every additional dollar that you borrow, your leveraged return is decreased.

The more money you borrow, the less return/ROI you will achieve. But as he pointed out himself at the beginning, if you were to make an all cash purchase, your return should theoretically be equivalent to your cap rate.

So the key to making a deal like this work is structuring your capital stack correctly. Using the right blend of debt and equity.

Secondly, as the guy in the video mentioned, money is made on deals like this through forced appreciation.  But, the guy in the video implied that you should be able to raise your rents 5% per year without any cost. That's not the definition of forced appreciation. And that's ridiculous. 

Yes, we saw that during COVID, but we may never see that again. In most markets, typical rent gains are between 2% and 3% per year.  Over the next year, in many big cities, rent gains could be negative.  And over the next couple years, they will likely return to near normal.

So it's unlikely that we're going to see 5% rent gains in most markets long-term. And his assumption that we will is horribly flawed.

Now, it is possible to see 5% or more rent gains per year, but it's not going to be free rent gain like this guy implies. Those rent gains will come through buying properties that are distressed, mismanaged, and already charging less rent than what that market is seeing.

Generating 5% or more per year in rent gains comes from spending time, money, and effort to reposition the property through physical and management improvements. This costs money. 

The guy used the term forced appreciation, but if it was true forced appreciation, he would have talked about the fact that your $2 million dollar investment into that property was actually more. Perhaps you spent $500,000 making these improvements. Or a million dollars making these improvements. Or more.

Forcing appreciation is spending money to increase income.  But, again, assuming that you don't need to spend any money and rents are just going to increase 5% per year is ridiculous.

While these were the two big errors in the video, there are plenty of other little things. For example, the $220K and appreciation is not a true $220K benefit to the investor. If an investor is in the 30% tax bracket, that would be a $66,000 benefit, and it would only be temporary. When the property sold, that depreciation needs to be repaid/recaptured.

And his assumption that $100,000 would be paid down one the loan in 5 years is likely way too aggressive. Commercial loans often have interest only periods, and even when they are amortized, you're not going to see this much principal pay down this early on a typical commercial loan.

Long story short, his answer was pretty much correct, but I wouldn't be taking advice from him on how to achieve it.

Post: Numbers for Newbies

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BP has a new book that covers all of that and lots more:

https://store.biggerpockets.co...

Post: Help with understanding Cashflow analysis

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Quote from @Armando Montrond:
Quote from @J Scott:

Can you share the BP calculator report for an example property you're looking at?

J, here is an example report I am looking at. Along with the zillow of the actual listing. https://www.zillow.com/homedet...

 https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

As I mentioned above this is just to see what price range cash flows. This property is 365 ( i am merely looking at this as a test to get numbers for the area) the average rent in Raleigh is 1600. This report shows it being rented at 1600 and me offering to purhcase at 150 (almost 200k under asking. 

I just want to reiterate, I was trying to find what price range in an area will cash flow and from what I have seen, you can only get a single family to cashflow under 150K and the rent would have to be astronomically high for the area


What's with the $400 per month in utility costs? 

For single family rentals, unless they are furnished short-term or vacation rentals, it's not common for the landlord to pay utilities.  

keep in mind that it fits a $1,600 per month rental and you're paying $400 per month in utilities, then it's really a $1,200 per month rental.

I would verify that expense before moving forward.

Post: Course or Info on being a passive investor in syndication deals

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In addition to Brian's great advice (and book!) above, I recorded this a year or two ago:

https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

And I'm also a member of LFI as an LP.