@Vince Mayer, I do not believe you need to have a real estate license to find a tenant buyer. If you were finding a regular, then yes. But in my lease options deals, I both explain to the owner/seller that I will be subleasing their home to a tenant/buyer. They know up front it is not me living in the home. Because the way my contract is written (by my real estate attorney with a strong background in lease options), I can do this as the investor. My mentor did suggest having tenant/buyers lined up before generating seller leads. His reasoning (and I'm still tinkering with the system on this) was have the tenant/buyer go look for properties on their own and bring back the ones they like. Like I said, I'm still tweaking the system, but my "system" is
1. Generate tenant/buyer leads on Facebook marketplace, sending them to a lead generation website (I use REI Blackbook). It autoresponds to them with an e-mail
2. Follow up with a phone call to the T/B and do some pre-approving
3. If they seem like a good fit, send them to my preferred lender (mortgage broker) who then runs a soft credit pull and gives them a credit repair plan
4. Have my Realtor send them older listings (120+ days) which will be more susceptible to a LO (or maybe owner financing)
5. Once they've found some homes they like, they go look at them. I ask that they bring back 3 homes they're interested in.
6. I negotiate with the seller or seller's agent for the LO, usually offering full asking price.
7. Once accepted, I provide a contract to the seller and a contract to the tenant/buyer. The contracts are for a lease options contracts with other paperwork and addendums.
8. I collect a Non-Refundable Option Consideration (NROC). Yes I do this, some people don't like doing it this way, but I do it to help ensure they are serious about buying, which helps the seller and leads to better buyer conversion rates. It is also good for my business to generate capital up front. I credit them the entire NROC towards the purchase of the home when they purchase. I will give them a third of the money back if they meet some simple criteria (so it is somewhat refundable).
9. The mortgage lender follows up with them monthly or quarterly to ensure they are moving forward on their credit repair plan.
10. They (hopefully) close within 2 years, sometimes 3.
(NOTE: To new investors, it's that "simple" but not that easy. There's a lot to know, please don't look at those steps and just go do it. If you don't understand lease options, seek some mentorship of some kind first. I will, free time pending, teach someone the basics. I'm at present also looking for *one* person to take under my wing specifically on lease options...PM me for details)
As for Joe Crump, I too considered him simply because of his Automarketer. I figured I could have some kid do this for me, which would probably cost me a few hundred bucks a month anyways. If it's not as good as he makes it sound and as you say, then I may stay away. I too have found, like you said, FSBOs and expired listings are good for sellers, Facebook is awesome for buyers. I'm having some luck with older listings, but then I still have to go through Realtors, which can be frustrating...I think I just like the pain of going back and forth with them. Most lighten up after a minute and see the upside. Especially when it's 5+ months old I say "hey you're about to lose this listing anyways, right? Why not pitch this to your seller and still collect the full commission, even if it's 2 years down the road?" Many have the light bulb go on at that point.
Does anyone happen to have a good Craigslist scraper they like for REI? I'm still small enough I don't mind doing it manually. There's something oddly therapeutic about the repetition for a short while...maybe I have issues. Eventually I'd rather automate the Craigslist scraping/contacting though.